Amanda Berry, Gina deJesus & Michelle Knight - General discussion #4

Discussion in 'Amanda Berry- Gina deJesus- Michelle Knight' started by wfgodot, May 6, 2013.

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  1. Spice

    Spice Active Member

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    There is something more to the story with Michelle's family.....there has to be. She does not want to see her mother, does not want to go home to her family after being held captive by an animal and enduring a decade of horrific and sadistic abuse. What happened to her when after all of that she does not want to go home, does not even want to see her mother?

    The horror what these girls have lived through has shaken me. But Michelle haunts me the most. She was gang raped a year before her abduction and gave birth to a a child of rape that was taken from her by the courts for something her stepfather did? Then she endures THIS? The media gave her disappearance almost no attention, mom couldn't be found to communicate with so she was removed from the missing persons database within a year and a half as if no one cared, like she was persona non grata. She ends up being his "personal punching bag" and target for even more abuse than the other two? She needs facial reconstruction, has hearing loss, 5 violently induced abortions, and cognitive delays?

    And now apparently she does not feel connected enough to her family (for whatever reasons) to go home to heal around unconditional love and comfort? Apparently she does not feel that she will find that with them.

    How much can one person take? I'd be on a psych ward I think. My heart aches for all of them, but I am just haunted by what has happened around Michelle.
     


  2. Waddles

    Waddles Well-Known Member

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  3. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPR9HkUD_JY"]Raw: Gina DeJesus Arrives at Cleveland Home - YouTube[/ame]

    Video of Gina going into home.
     
  4. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    I had an article opened this morning that said there's a reason why there were no photos of Gina. Apparently she also has neck issues from the abuse
     
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  6. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    It can mean that. But it can also mean undernourished. I mean reports are that Michelle was starved because she was pregnant, and there are reports that he would sometimes supply food to one or two of them and make the ones who weren't given food watch the others eat. That tells me that food was used as a disciplinary method and a show of his control over them and their lives. If he wished he could starve them to death. So depending on how often he did that, they could be very badly undernourished.
     
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  8. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    Watched the attorneys speak today. I expect that the attorneys will plead not guilty at first. It is part of trying to negotiate a lighter sentence for their client. So that doesn't surprise me. But hearing them speak, I think they are planning to go to trial. They are already doing damage control and beginning the spin. And they are coming out with a hard line.

    So yes I think they are going to fight, no matter how overwhelming the evidence. This doesn't sound like the usual "if they don't lower the charges we will force them to incur the cost of a trial" BS that you usually hear. Which means this is going to be a long tough fight to even get to trial. And the girls won't be given a pass on the stand.

    Grounds? I think they will fight very hard on the murder charges. Because in the forced abortion beatings there is no evidence that we know of other than the girls statements. So I think that will be one of the bargaining chips.

    Kidnapping? I think they will go with the fact that the girls got in his car voluntarily. And sadly I think they may try character assassination on the girls.

    Mental defense? Maybe. I mean a "monster" isn't normal, so they can try to say that it is a mental condition. I think they will at least have him checked. (IMO he isn't insane or even a mental health issue. IMO he is a sadist and a predator. And those aren't grounds for insanity.)

    I also think they may use his background. There are already hints about his life as he grew up and the 'abuse' he suffered. It will be interesting if we later see his bros back on TV telling about their life growing up.

    If this goes to trial it will be quite a while before it goes to trial. And the attorneys won't go easy on the girls. This all puts pressure on the prosecuting attorney to come to terms with the defense. To take a plea, to reduce some charges, to drop others.

    Likely the dance will go on for a while. In the meantime more info about the incarceration will be leaked.
     
  9. onebyone

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    I too see that they are willing to try character assassination against the victims. If they try, that will seriously blow up in their faces.

    I do not think that the prosecuting attorney should go easy on him just because his attorneys are talking smack. I think they must know deep inside that they cannot possibly spin Castro out of this mess. If they don't, then they can go to trial and lose.
     
  10. AnaTeresa

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    A defense attorney objectively represents someone because everyone is entitled to an attorney under our Constitution. It is to protect Castro's constitutional rights, to make sure the investigation and prosecution are by the book. You should support this - it makes it less likely for Castro to be released on a technicality, which can happen when a defendant's rights are infringed upon.

    This is a normal part of the process. Not enough time has elapsed for the attorney to even evaluate the evidence - what little there is at this point, to be able to competently advise the client on how to proceed. The vast majority of cases start with a not guilty plea, because of how quickly the criminal justice system has to move at first because of your right to a speedy trial. Then, a plea is negotiated, and most are then sentenced without a jury trial at all. Castro had to enter a plea quickly. A not guilty plea is what is entered because it's the only thing that buys the attorneys, both prosecution and defense, time to evaluate the case.

    This isn't about money; this is about having time to evaluate the case. Besides which, no lawyer is going to get rich representing Castro. He likely doesn't have the funds. It's most likely to be someone court appointed, and you don't often recoup all that you put into court appointed cases anyway.

    Furthermore, at this point, neither the prosecution nor the defense has any idea if it's going to trial. That's just not how these things work this early in the case.
     
  11. Hisimage

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    What is so awful about this: It is not he who will be paying his lawyer. :banghead:
     
  12. Hisimage

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    Thank you, for your well thought out post.

    Sadly, I think you're right. I think that the argument will include the girls got in the car willingly. H will probably say that there were times they could have run away when he left them.

    I normally would say there is NO CHANCE he will be able to get away with this. However, I sat through the CA trial, and well -- you know.
     
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  14. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Just sharing some of my thoughts:

    I've been in Cleveland all of my life, mostly the suburbs, but much of my family was inner city. In the poorer neighborhoods, it's not unheard of to live in a old and rundown house. I've been in homes where entire rooms were filled to the rim with junk. Basements so rundown that they go unused and end up locked off. People don't want you in all areas of their home because they are a wreck! AC's oldest daughter said that he complained her old room was full of junk and that's why she couldn't go in there. He probably kept people in his kitchen/living room and I don't think many people would find that entirely odd around here.
     
  17. KaaBoom

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    Thats what I was thinking. It's surprising they didn't mention the letter carriers, who delivered mail to the house 3,000 time. How could they not know what was going on inside behind the blacked out windows?:rolleyes:
     
  18. Bee Happy

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    The report I read said the gray boards were already there. (back windows)
     
  19. KaaBoom

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    Well either they were suffocating in there in the Summer or maybe he had air conditioning, or some type of ventilation system. Because all the windows were all closed up in the summer.

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  20. Imwithyou

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    You're making sense. Welcome, not that I'm not pretty much a newby too, who seldom posts. :seeya:
     
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