Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

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  1. otto

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    Why wouldn't they?
     
  3. otto

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    Let's suppose that the conviction is confirmed and an extradition request is made. Let's suppose that the US refuses to honor the treaty agreement on the basis that US law does not permt the prosecution to appeal an appeal ruling.

    How do you suppose that will go over in terms of the continued existence of that treaty? If the US is not prepared to honor a treaty, wouldn't that be a very good reason for Italy to terminate the agreement? Realistically speaking, if the agreement is only in place for the benefit of the US, then it should be revoked. Is the US willing to go that far in order to protect a woman convicted of murder in a European country?
     
  4. otto

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    Don't people believe in justice?
     
  5. Frankie Hellis

    Frankie Hellis Well-Known Member

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    WRONG. There was a small amount of food in the last loop of her intestine. Other than that, they were empty - all 20+ feet of them.
     
  6. Frankie Hellis

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    No sherlockh, you are wrong.

    page 115 of Massei, page 63 of Dr. Lalli’s report:
    Here is a report explaining the basics of gastrointestinal transit:
    http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/basics/transit.html

    Here are the results from a study published in 2006:
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1440-1746.2006.04449.x/abstract
    The mean ± SD of half gastric emptying time (T1/2) of a fluid test meal was determined to be 80.5 ± 22.1 min and for Tlag to be 40.3 ± 10.2 min. However, the T1/2 and Tlag of solid meals did not fit to normal distribution and thus median and percentiles were determined. The median time of T1/2 for solids was 127 min (25–75% percentiles: 112.0–168.3 min) and 81.5 min for Tlag (25–75% percentiles: 65.5–102.0 min). No significant correlation was found between gastric emptying and age, sex or BMI.
     
  7. trillian

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    Putting someone in prison for a murder they had nothing to do with isn't justice. It is a heinous injustice in itself.

    Italy will run through this process and she will come up innocent again. I can only imagine that it is so that the entire botched investigation is given more credence than the absolute joke it was.

    Extradition would be such an embarassment for Italy. It won't happen.

    Is that delusional prosecutor in jail yet?
     
  8. otto

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    Italy wouldn't convict someone for the fun of it. There are several stages to the trial to ensure that a false conviction doesn't happen. However, if at the end of these stages, the conviction is confirmed, then it seems that it must be just. If it is a just conviction, should the convicted persons not be imprisoned?

    There were two prosecutors during Knox's trial. Were they both delusional, or only one? If so, why is only one delusional when two participated equally in the prosecution?
     
  9. otto

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    "The biggest mistake made by most of the media commentary (I’m looking at you Alan Dershowitz and various law prof types here) is that almost no one seems to have read the U.S. Italy Extradition Treaty. Article VI reads:

    Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted, or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested

    (Emphasis added.) The Requested Party in this scenario would be the United States (Italy would be the “Requesting Party”). The U.S. has never charged Knox with anything, much less with the murder of her UK roommate. So Article VI does not bar Knox’ extradition to Italy. Period.

    What about the U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment prohibition on Double Jeopardy? Well, the short answer is that the Fifth Amendment’s Double Jeopardy Protection doesn’t apply in an extradition proceeding since the U.S. is not the one trying Knox (they are just handing her over).

    Ku argues that even if the the Fifth Amendment did apply, "under US law, an appeal that overturns a lower court conviction is not an acquittal for purposes of the Fifth Amendment."

    The Amanda Knox case is apparently not double jeopardy under either Italian law or US law.

    "Knox had better get ready to be extradited, or she better get ready to move to Brazil," he says."

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/...da-Knox-had-better-get-ready-to-be-extradited
     
  10. redheadedgal

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    its extremely hypocritical of italy to demand, expect, ask for the extradition of knox considering...

    "india stunned as italy REFUSES to send back two marines charged with murder of [indian] fishermen"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...-Marines-charged-murder-Kerala-fishermen.html


    "I urge the Italian authorities to respect the undertakings to the Honourable Supreme Court and return the two accused persons to stand trial. We will continue to urge this course of action through diplomatic channels. If they do not keep their word* there will be consequences for our relations with Italy."

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/4...e-ties-italy-diplomatic-breakdown-marines.htm


    *the powers that be in italy lied? hmmm
     
  11. Gecko100

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    A bit o/t, but I wish to support the victim of crime, Meredith Kercher.
    I have read just about everything I can on this case and firmly believe that two of the perpetrators of this crime are walking free amongst us.
    On a side note, have you ever been to your toilet at home and found a poo there? What is your immediate reaction?
    The only reason to leave it there is because you know who did it.
     
  12. sherlockh

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    Eehh..which part is wrong? Yes there was still food in the intestines. That is what I said also.
     
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    Breath tests are not the most reliable tests. I already showed other sources that mention much shorter ranges. And even the breath test doesn't show any values close to 3 hours. So you are only proving my point that it is very unlikely that this is what happened.

    It is just common sense anyway. Everybody eats and everybody knows that they don't walk around with a full stomach for hours after eating. If you play sports then it is best not to eat right before a game, but a few hours before is just fine.
     
  14. otto

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    Regarding marines, wouldn't that fall under the standard military exemption? A US fighter jet pilot was exempt from extradition after killing civilians because of military affiliation. The US did not extradite a military person to Italy and Italy does not extradite a military person to India. What's the difference?
     
  15. MichaelSmith

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    Do you have any evidence of travel restrictions?
     
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    Good luck to them with that taking on publishers :banghead:
     
  17. MichaelSmith

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    A reminder:

    <mod snip>

    Amanda and Raffaele went to the cottage, found Guede there and decided to join him raping and killing Meredith for nothing within 1 hour and then "cleaned and staged" the crime scene to look like Guede's very MO of b&e via a 2nd story window just two weeks before the murder.

    Say what?
     
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    It wasn't her bathroom, but her roommate's. I think most people's "immediate reaction" to seeing poo in someone's else's toilet is disgust. Whether they decide to flush it or not is not going to be the same for every person.

    Now that you've established the only reason to leave it is to tie it to Guede, please work that in to the rest of the prosecution theory that said person then intentionally blamed a person other than Guede for the crime.
     
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    People said the same thing about Lindy Chamberlain, holding onto the notion that she was guilty for more than twenty years until irrefutable evidence was discovered which exonerated her.

    Someday Guede might talk. But as long as the spotlight is on two other defendants, and his release just around the corner, he has no reason to come clean. Had he been given a full life sentence, he might have decided to be honest and confess to his crime, and give a real account of that night.
     
  20. otto

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    I do, but given the number of countries in the world, it would be best if you located the information that you are specifically seeking.

    If you research the laws of any particular country, with specific emphasis on whether there are travel restrictions for people that have been imprisoned for criminal activities, you will find the information that you want.
     
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