Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

Discussion in 'Amanda Knox' started by wasnt_me, Jan 9, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Katie-L

    Katie-L New Member

    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't have any idea what you're talking about wrt to large red bold letters???

    ...and the evidence against Rudy (while have NOTHING to do with his skin color) is pretty conclusive. Rudy also confessed and has never recanted his confession.

    The investigation on Amanda and Raffaele consists of the same fantasy imagination that had Patrick arrested.

    But do be clear - Amanda Knox did not arrest Patrick Lumumba.

    The police may want to deflect their irresponsible behavior on someone else - but sorry, I don't buy it. If you arrest someone without any key evidence or reason - that's on your head.
     
  2. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Rudy's statements corroborate the forensic evidence. He places himself at the cottage that night, and admits to sexual activity with Meredith. What on earth is anyone supposed to dispute then? And why do you keep bringing up his race, as if it makes any difference?

    I, too, have no idea what you mean with regards to Amanda's name in red letters. Can you elaborate for all of us?
     
  3. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The three women who escaped after ten years of confinement also have the help of a PR firm. So obviously they're not just used by people who need to put a certain spin on things.
     
  4. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Sorry, if you thought that was meant for you, for some unknown reason AK's name appears in bolded red in some posts, and it draws my attention to them, as I am sure it does others, that is slightly influential if I may be so bold. I'm not sure why it happens. Then they get duplicated.

    I am very clear that the police arrested Mr Lumumba, based on what evidence?

    The same investigation that convicted RG, is now 'imagination', 'wonky science' and conducted by 'inappropriate/irresponsible police', pretty good grounds for an appeal for RG, I would have thought.
    But I think he is fairly poor.
     
  5. Katie-L

    Katie-L New Member

    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I've never seen Amanda's name in red letters. It might be something unique to your browser or forum settings. ??

    I think you misunderstood what was being said about the wonky science.

    Guede was arrested and convicted based on solid DNA evidence, footprints, fingerprints, the works. He was there. He also agrees that he was there and that he committed the crime.

    Amanda, Raffaele and Patrick were all arrested based on speculation. There was never ANY evidence at the crime scene (Meredith's bedroom) tying them to the crime in any way.

    Patrick was released because he had a solid, verifiable alibi. It was a bad arrest and the investigators knew that.

    Amanda and Raffaele were tried based on a fantastical, bizarre theory of the crime that had NO accompanying evidence at all. The theory changed as well. From a cult sacrifice to a demonic orgy to a "sex and drug game gone wrong". Their involvement was attributed to the idea that a single person couldn't possibly have done the crime without help.

    Alot of people on this forum are following the Jodi Arias trial. Can you imagine if the prosecutor just decided that there was no way she could have committed such a violent murder alone? Her victim was, after all, stabbed 27 times, shot in the head, and had his throat sliced open - all in under 2 minutes and Arias didn't have more than a few scratches and cuts.

    Lets say the prosecutor was in charge of the investigation and decide that all his previous girlfriends were in on it? And that this was an ultimate revenge kill? And that everyone but Arias managed to completely remove all their DNA from the locked bedroom - leaving poor little Jodi to take the fall all on her own?

    And lets say he dragged former girlfriends into an interrogation room and yelled at them in French for hours, forcing them to sign a confession - even though none of them spoke more than a few words of French?

    Would a US jury find that compelling? Even if the press found it titillating?

    Would it be a travesty of justice? Would it be a crime against innocent people?

    I think so - and I'm pretty sure that a jury of 12 peers (in a proper jury system) would feel the same.

    Yet, it seems there are a few people who believe that Amanda and Raffaele don't deserve the dignity of truth or justice. If they can be blamed - regardless of the logic - they must have done it.

    Meanwhile, Meredith's murderer was allowed to appeal his sentence and have it knocked down to a length that will put him back on the streets - still young and still able to do whatever he wants with his own life.

    This isn't a case of "if the glove doesn't fit - you must acquit" - it's a case of "if nothing fits, no matter how hard you try to twist it in - you must still find them guilty - along with the guy for whom everything fits".
     
  6. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I was discussing Ms Kercher.
    Not the other one.
     
  7. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,609
    Likes Received:
    366
    Trophy Points:
    83
    That happens if you use the search feature to find the thread .. for the rest of that thread the words you used to search appear in red bold ..
     
  8. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I am also European;)
    I guess I might find it significant if the accused doesn't come from Europe.
    What kind of young drugged up amnesic has a perfectly innocent man thrown into jail based on her evidence alone, just because?
     
  9. redheadedgal

    redheadedgal Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,655
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    48
    gecko-- do you use the search feature all the time to locate threads? i can give you an easier way... if you want?
     
  10. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    No I don't always redheadedgal, but I can see now where it might have come from, that makes sense lol.
    Thank-you:)
     
  11. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

    Messages:
    1,666
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    38
    There was no major head wound to show that she was unconscious (like with Nicole Simpson for example). Knox apparently 'lucky guessed' Meredith was conscious since she claimed to have heard screaming. Guede, and 2 other witnesses claimed to have heard a loud scream as well.

    There was bruising by both elbows showing where she was held (probably by Guede from behind IMO). The person who held her by both arms could not have strangled her and caused the bruising and major wounds by the neck with 2 different knives. That makes no sense.

    The defense tried to claim one knife was used. They said it was used as a saw to explain the different widths of the wounds but the judge rejected that theory. Besides the different wounds from opposing angles, there is the proof of a smaller knife imprint on the bed, and Meredith's DNA on the blade of a bigger knife in Sollecito's apartment. The defense themselves realized a single attacker doesn't make any sense otherwise they would have never come up with the jail witnesses that claimed 'others' had done it IMO.

    If somebody uses such a generic term as 'everywhere' my hinky meter immediately goes up. What does 'everywhere' mean? Guede left one trace of DNA on Meredith's clothes as evidence of the initial fight. 2 Traces of Guede, and 1 trace of Sollecito as evidence of the sexual assault. From the horrible attack at her neck, the bruising, the hair pulling, the strangling, the stabbings was no DNA left. It is silly to keep repeating this. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
     
  12. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

    Messages:
    1,666
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    38
    *Snipped*. Evidence against the other 2 is as solid as against Guede. The crime scene doesn't suddenly stop at Meredith's door. You are stuck with fruit pulp, Guede hopping around on one shoe to explain the missing prints to the bathroom, Guede merging 2 toes and shrinking his foot a few sizes to fit the bathmat print, the invisible burglar, 5 traces of mixed blood/DNA that is all just 'normal', a 'coercion' in half an hour, and a whole bunch of other silly apologies to explain away the evidence. The judges in Florence are not gonna buy that nonsense.
    Lol, how you come up with that stuff? Lets see what the prosecutor himself says in an interview with CNN.
    Witnesses reported the relationship between Knox and Meredith had deteriorated. That there was a sexual assault involved is obvious. Knox and her bf themselves claimed that had used drugs that night. This is what was discussed in court. Nothing about any cult sacrifice.
    I understand this is just your opinion but it completely contradicts what is actually being discussed in court. Just repeating 'no evidence' is silly because we had years of trials and a zillion pages in this threat discussing the evidence. There is at least 10 pieces of evidence who all by themselves already would be enough to convict Knox in any court IMO.
     
  13. kwmred

    kwmred New Member

    Messages:
    1,043
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0

    Thank you!!
     
  14. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I think the more appropriate question is:

    What kind of police force has a perfectly innocent man thrown into jail based on her evidence alone, just because?
     
  15. miley

    miley New Member

    Messages:
    538
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Speaking of false confessions... has anyone been watching the new series on the Sundance Channel called Rectify?
    if you haven't seen it, watch the preview: http://www.sundancechannel.com/series/rectify/full-episode

    The main character, Daniel, (falsely) confessed to the rape/murder of his high school girlfriend. Following her death he exhibited some strange behavior plus there was eyewitness - he was ultimately sentenced to death. The story begins 19 years later when his conviction is vacated due to new dna. On his release, the town is divided and the prosecutor may retry him. The best part though, is watching Daniel acclimate to life outside of prison - it's fascinating.

    Damien Echols (West Memphis Three) said the show was too realistic for him - in a review for the Huff Post, regarding Daniel's false confession, he wrote:
    Law enforcement and politicians in the show say that despite what DNA testing shows, the lead character would not have confessed if he weren't guilty. That greatly mirrors the sentiments I've heard in the outside world. The reality is that anyone can be so worn down that they'll eventually confess to anything, no matter how strong they believe themselves to be. And it happens all the time -- from people who are killed after confessing to practicing witchcraft, to people sentenced to lethal injection even though the crime scene bears no resemblance to the confession tortured out of them. Huffington Post
    Even though Amanda never confessed to murdering Meredith, you can see the parallels.
     
  16. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Is this your personal theory regarding the elbow injuries? Because that's not what the coroner said:

    "He then proceeded to describe the two bruised areas present on the left elbow of the victim, and with regard to these, he stated that these were not marks caused by restraining, but hypostatic stains. But since he could not absolutely exclude that they might be bruises stemming from an effort of the victim to defend herself, he noted that the fact that they were present only on the left forearm at the level of the elbow would mean that the forearm remained free, making it difficult to attribute the bruises to the fact of having been restrained."

    The following is the header of the section on her injuries from the Massei report:

    "The consultants and forensic scientists have asserted that from the point of view of forensic science, it cannot be ruled out that the author of the injuries could have been a single attacker, because the bruises and the wounds from a pointed and cutting weapon are not in themselves incompatible with the action of a single person."

    The rest of Massei's logic concerning multiple attackers stems from how he thinks Meredith should have been able to fight back, and should have had more defensive wounds. The flawed logic here, as demonstrated by other posters here and in many other cases, is when threatened with physical and sexual violence it is not unlikely that the victim will either comply or simply go into shock.

    http://www.nationalguard.mil/jointstaff/j1/sapr/files/Barriers_to_Credibility.pdf

    The kitchen knife was too big to make most of the wounds, but a smaller knife, the size of the one imprinted on the bed could have made all the wounds.

    The defense argued simply that a a single attacker could not be ruled out, as others agreed.
     
  17. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    None of what you listed is evidence against Amanda and Raf.

    Mignini is known to lie. In two different interviews he gives conflicting reasons for why the interrogations weren't taped. But he did state the murder was committed as a "Halloween rite". Satanic or Halloween, both are nutty. The pre-trial judge threw his theory out.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ck-981759.html

    When this has been shown to you in the past, you've tried to write it off as the defense making it up. But it's in Judge Micheli's report!

    But most of it revolves around Knox's "narcissism", her family, what she wrote in an unrecorded interrogation without a lawyer present, and forensics that point at just about anyone who lived at the house.
     
  18. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Isn't it true that proceedings have begun by the Italian Police regarding the outrageous lies contained in both of the books written by RS and AK?
     
  19. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Sorry I just can't agree with that.
    I think the police wouldn't have gone anywhere near him if he hadn't been mentioned, it was after all still under investigation.
    Police officers in all countries investigate leads.
    AK gave them a false lead, and was charged and convicted for it.
     
  20. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Not that I've heard. Do you have a link?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice