Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

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  1. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

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    A synopsis of the Massei report? Just like you disagree with Hellman agreeing with the dense arguments, I disagree with Massei subscribing to the prosecution arguments. You have to find some middle ground and not just say well this judge said this so it's a fact. He has an opinion just like Hellman did, so no point in telling me what he says since the guy thinks ridiculous things like Rudy getting turned on by watching Amanda and Raf make out is what led to the murder or that Amanda carried a kitchen knife in her purse for protection, or that Filomena definitely closed the shutters when she's quoted elsewhere in the same report saying she wasn't sure. There's no reason to say Meredith wasn't attacked from behind by one person and pushed on all fours as the defense claimed. The problem is pigeonholing her death into one and one only scenario to make a claim.

    A. I don't think you've demonstrated that the review was deemed illegal, just that there will be a new trial to re-review everything.

    and B. Even if it were deemed "illegal" it's not like the results were conducted by people who weren't qualified.

    That person would be a suspect unless witnessed by others who could give them an alibi.

    Massei can say it a million times. Doesn't make a difference. We can play the dueling judges and experts game all day, but as I said, you have to find a middle ground based on the reasoning made.
     
  2. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

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    yet, you can't say what it demonstrates. It's two videos of two different people saying no they didn't kill someone, slowed down. You could throw anyone saying "no" in there and it would be just the same. It's junk science.
     
  3. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

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    It was rhetorical. What does it matter if either of us was at the station? We have a government official giving us two contradictory explanations for the same thing.

    Being too busy arresting Lumumba to hit record and not having the budget to record are two entirely different reasons.

    Recording a suspect is. And she was one from 1:45 through the end of her interrogation at 5:45.

    The only thing both Amanda and the police agree on is that the translator tried to convince her she was traumatized and didn't remember being at the cottage that night when she was. That only tells us all we need to know about that unrecorded interrogation.
     
  4. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/index.php?title=Multiple_Attackers
    It is my interpretation of the Galati appeal and the fact that he won the appeal, but to be more clear I will wait till the SC report comes out. If what those 'experts' did was against the law then there is no point to discuss them any further.
    Being a suspect does not rule out being innocent.
    It was your point that when Massei said 'can't rule out' that this had some kind of special meaning even though I showed exactly what he meant by listing 5 different quotes.
     
  5. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    You can't rule out that both are true as they are not contradicting at all. You keep pretending you know the situation in the police office but we don't. If there is no equipment setup then someone needs to get it from somewhere else. I think there is a bit more included then just push a button. Either way, it doesn't matter since the interrogation was stopped at 1:45. Knox became a suspect and after that there was no further interrogation.

    http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/index.php?title=Amanda_Knox's_Confession
    She tried to help her since Knox kept pretending to suffer from sudden amnesia. If Amanda does not agree then that does not mean anything. She is a proven liar.
     
  6. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    How come other people who were questioned and let go, or arrested claim no police issues?
    And what about this from a Court Report? Yes it's the M report.

    ''The above account given by Knox differed from that given earlier by her to police, during the night of November 5-6, 2007. That earlier account was briefly alluded to at her trial, but was admissible as evidence only in the civil case brought by Patrick Lumumba, and not in the murder case. Knox accounted for her change of story, on the grounds that it was because of the persistence of the questioning which had made her imagine what could have happened.[68] In this earlier account, she had described returning home to Via della Pergola, in the company of Patrick Lumumba, on the evening of November 1, 2007, after 9pm. She had described many things which she now realized she had imagined, including Meredith having had sex and being killed, while Knox held her own ears closed so as not to hear Meredith’s screams.[67-68]

    Also in contradiction to Knox’s account is the fact that her SMS exchange with Lumumba, was in a different phone “cell” from the one covering Sollecito’s house, indicating that she was not, in fact, in the house at this time (just after 8pm),[77] although she had returned by Jovana’s arrival at 8:40.

    The court noted the discrepancies in Knox’s various statements about the time they ate dinner: in one statement 9:30 to 10 pm and, in another, 11pm.[78] The court noted that both of these times are contradicted by the declarations of Sollecito’s father that his son had indicated that they had eaten and washed up before 8:42.[78]''

    That's an awful lot of inconsistencies for a Court of Justice to be noting, and only a few of many.
    And didn't Mr Lumumba and his poor wife and family get dropped right in it by a drug addled thrill seeker? Is he suing the police for 'handling' him badly or Ak because she is a liar?

    He did time because of her silly druggie nonsense.
    She is totally inconsistent and she still is.

    Is RS pursuing justice from unjust police?
    Is RG pursuing justice from unjust police?
    Are all the other people involved in the questioning - including the flatmates pursuing justice from unjust police?
    Does Ak seek justice from Mr S senior for contradicting her statement and apparently publicly lying about her?
    Is PL pursuing justice from unjust police?
     
  7. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    Oh and there is this:

    ''Mr Lumumba said: 'One thing I could never understand is that Amanda has always said she was given a rough time by the police. But I was named as the one who killed Meredith, the black third-world African, and they never gave me any problems.
    'I do find that very strange, and I also find it amazing that she has never actually said sorry to me - when we were questioned she didn't even tell the police that I had nothing to do with it.''

    DM2011

    Why on earth would he say that?
     
  8. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    Mr Lumumba has never said anything bad about the police at all, you are dreaming it.
     
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    Hoyle wrote, "'They hit me over the head and yelled 'dirty black'. Then they put handcuffs on me and shoved me out of the door, as Aleksandra pulled Davide away, screaming.'
    "He was greeted outside by a convoy of seven police cars, sirens blazing, and driven to Perugia's police station, where he was subjected to a ten-hour interrogation.
    "'I was questioned by five men and women, some of whom punched and kicked me,' he claims. 'They forced me on my knees against the wall and said I should be in America where I would be given the electric chair for my crime.'" I wonder why Patrick never sued the Daily Mail for writing this story.
     
  10. sherlockh

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    Because it is the Daily Mail? Most people take them with a grain of salt. Patrick said that he had been misquoted. On the other hand, I don't think they showed up at his door with tea and cookies after what Knox claimed he did.
     
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    sherlockh, I was responding to Gekko, who said "never." If Lumumba was misquoted, why didn't he bring suit? Think about it.
     
  12. sherlockh

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    He explained on tv that he could understand the police after what Knox had told them. How should I know why he didn't bring suit? That is all up to him. He is another victim of Knox and I don't see any reason to doubt him. Besides this is a victim friendly forum so lets give the poor man some peace.

    I quoted the Daily Mail once and was told never to trust that paper. I don't believe Knox ever filed suit either so therefore it is true?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oxy-changed-tune-night-Meredith-murdered.html
     
  13. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    He appeared to be quite ok with the police, why would he bother suing anyone except the person who put him behind bars, who was convicted of lying and served 4 years for it?
    Its hard to believe anything that she says ever, being a convicted liar already.
    And all that...
    They were two drugged up thrill seeking damaged nobody's, with spotted amnesia, nothing is reliable...
    But she was very sure of PL's involvement based on her self admitted imaginings, and then forgot about him forever. Not even an apology.
    Who would do that?
    Italy has not gone out of it's highly sophisticated European cultural mind.
     
  14. Gecko100

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    I have no idea, you might like to correspond with him, he is suing AK not the police. He describes himself as AK's 'second victim'.
    But not RS, just AK.
     
  15. otto

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    I don't think that soccer players wear fisherman's caps and I'm pretty sure that burglars don't cover their eyes with an eye mask.
     
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    We've discussed this point so many times that I'm surprised to see it raised yet again. This is not reporting, this is gossip. If this gossip is to be taken as truth, then (as has been done numerous times in the past) we can look at gossip from the same source that paints Knox in an extremely negative light. Should we accept all the gossip from this website, or none? ... or should we only accept that gossip that seems useful from time to time.

    Essentially, the article is nonsense ... and I hope that everyone has realized that after six years.
     
  17. deedee21

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    DAs here in the US. are saying there is nothing that links her to this crime. Nothing. Zippo. They have said she never should have been arrested in Italy and never would of been arrested here if the same crime happened here. The killer has already been caught and he is in jail. The Italian DA said there was a wild sex orgy. Its no wonder he was waiting for his own trial to start for railing roading people. Then was allowed to continue the same behavior while he waited. Our system is not perfect but a DA in the US would not be allowed to work if he had his own court date coming up.
     
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    Which district attorney are you referring to in your comment?

    Alan Dershowitz describes criminal activities attributed to Knox that should get the attention of any prosecutor:

    "The factors behind the initial conviction included an admission by Ms. Knox that she was at the crime scene in the northern Italian town of Perugia, plus her false accusation that a bartender had slit Kercher's throat. The case against her also included a questionable alibi and evidence of her DNA on the alleged murder weapon."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324789504578384871256488436.html
     
  19. Chris_Halkides

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    I agree that Patrick was a victim. If Ms. Hoyle made up the quotes, then why wouldn't Patrick, who needed money, sue her paper? On the other hand, if his interview with her were taped and he really said them, then of course he would not be able to sue the paper (sherlockh, Ms. Knox has more pressing matters to attend to than suing the Daily Mail IMO). I don't equate using marijuana with being drugged up and I have no idea what spotted amnesia is, but to each his or her own. Despite Mr. Lumumba's claims, Ms. Knox apologized on several occasions, including at the start of the appeal. There is actually remarkably little detail in the statements Ms. Knox gave. As noted by someone else, "As far as we know, since there is no interrogation tape, the interviewers let up on Amanda just as soon as she implicated Patrick. Don't you think that's strange? I mean, after all the work it took to get that out of her, don't you think they would want to know the entire story, step by step? How and when did Amanda and Patrick make their plan? What did Patrick say to Meredith when they got there? Did Meredith willingly go into the bedroom with Patrick, or did she ask Amanda what was going on?

    Then for Amanda to say she woke up in Raffaele's bed the next morning? Come on! Is that good enough for the Perugian police and prosecutor? How about WHEN did you leave the cottage? HOW did you get to Raffaele's? Did Patrick walk you there? What did you and Patrick talk about after the murder? What did Patrick do with his bloody clothes? Do you think you might have gone back to the club first? Did Patrick seem nervous?" link.

    Federico Aldrovandi was also a victim, and he fared much worse than Mr. Lumumba. He was unarmed, yet some cops beat him to death. When his mother referred to the police as delinquents, they sued a grieving mother. At one point the police protested at her place of work. If that case doesn't raise yellow flags, then I suggest one look into the murder of Sarah Scazzi.
     
  20. miley

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    if recording a witness isn't required, then why bother debating his other excuses - naturally, he should have only used that one.
     
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