"An American Murder Mystery" - Discovery ID 3 night series - 04.09 .- 11. 2017

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  1. LaneGirl

    LaneGirl Well-Known Member

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    I have not seen the video but here's my experience...

    I have 3 grandchildren (from 2 children) every single one of them seek me out before their parents when we are together unless they are hurt. My youngest just turned one and she will shake her head no and grab on to me when her mom tries to take her from me. My sister in law has 4 grandchildren and they all prefer her over their own mom when she is around.

    So I personally don't think this is unusual. Grandmas tend to give almost 100% attention while parents are distracted with day to day life I think.
     


  2. StretchWest

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    I believe the fool-proof suffocation search is in relation to suicidal thoughts. I think it would take a traumatic incident to frazzle her. This is someone who detaches emotionally, so I think she has to be in the moment to experience the trauma.

    If this was premeditated murder that she was thinking about since at least March, like the prosecution claims, 2:51 on the 16th seems a little late in the game to be coming up with a plan. And considering it got interrupted by Jesse I don't know how much info she could have gleaned. Especially if it actually involved making chloroform. This is assuming you believe the prosecutions theory.

    Whether it was murder or something accidental, the evidence to me suggests that it happened suddenly and Casey didn't have a game plan. I mean, the body being dumped so close to the house is a clear sign of no plan at least to me. Especially if the body was in the trunk for a considerable amount of time, why drive back towards the home? It doesn't make sense.

    And she was definitely frazzled by the time Jesse called. And certainly her rapid fire phone calls to her mom an hour later suggest panic. Then she detached completely for 30 days, probably longer. But I think by 2:51 her life was already turned upside down. She wanted a way out. Suicide maybe? Jesse interrupts. She tries to get him to save her. No luck. Panic attack. Tries to get her mom to save her no luck. Complete emotional shutdown. Detach. Denial. etc.

    Just a theory I have, it has a tight window but I think it works under both circumstances.
     
  3. heidisams

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    But if I had to bet, I'm guessing your family is relatively normal though. Functional. But we're talking about the Anthonys, hard to compare. I bet your daughter (or daughter in law) isn't ANYTHING like fca, and you and your sister in law are probably nothing like ca.... They've got some seriously messed up family dynamics... Fca and Caylee also lived with them and are both completely dependent on them, so it's not the same as "going to grandmas house", kwim?

    All jmo.
     
  4. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    I haven't seen that video! I will have to find it and watch it! Thank you so much for the link!
    I'm not surprised at all by how the party went. That pretty much explains how the relationship was between them.
    In this 3 part series CA makes a comment that having Caylee was like reliving Casey being a child. I think CA was in some ways trying to raise Caylee better than Casey was raised. Either to protect Caylee from Casey or try to keep Caylee from turning out like Casey.
    Like the old excuse goes "If I can't have you no one will.'
     
  5. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    She turned her phone off for a very good reason IMHO.
    Either she was Angry possibly at an earlier argument between her parents or she didn't want her phone (and her and Caylee) to give away her location during that time period. Maybe this is when she committed the crime or was disposing of Caylee's body?
    She is bratty so I could see her getting mad about something silly and turning her phone off. Or maybe the phone was dead and she was charging it? It sounds like she may have waited until her dad left for work before committing murder. Premeditated?
     
  6. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;ZPUXPEBeapc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUXPEBeapc[/video]
     
  7. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;OeDd2sE7tMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeDd2sE7tMM[/video]
     
  8. Karinna

    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    BBM, I think in her selfish mind little Caylee was causing too many problems for her. In her personal partying lifestyle, and probably felt Caylee was becoming a problem for her at home between her and her parents as well. So she decided to eliminate her problem, :( And as it turns out her parents stuck by her through her incarceration and trial.
     
  9. heidisams

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    1st bold: (and you mention it a couple of times at the bottom too)

    If you believe her, that she has the ability to compartmentalize like that...because I sure don't. Just because she or her defense team says it, doesn't make it true. I do not believe a mother (who says her daughter is the center of her world, and she loved her so much, etc) could ever have the ability to just shut their grief off 5 seconds after their 3 year old daughter is tragically killed in an accident, and then go skipping through the blockbuster with her boyfriend to rent movies, and have sleepovers, and woop it up for 31 days. That would be a super power...and grieving mothers all over the world would love to know her secret, I'm sure they'd give their left arm to have just one day where they didn't have to feel the intense pain or just have a moment of peace.... I guess fca's special...

    The defense seriously abused that word. To compartmentalize is a real thing, just not like the way they described it with fca... And if you believe she was having suicidal thoughts and you also believe that she could compartmentalize, how do the two both happen together? Wouldn't she just compartmentalize her suicidal thoughts?

    2nd bold:

    The prosecutors didn't know about the fool-proof suffocation search until after the trial, it would have been a totally different trial had they known. Their strategy would've been completely different. That's their premeditation. And remember, premeditation can happen in the blink of an eye. And a big focus would be on fca's activities on the day of the 16th, which tightens everything up and best disputes the drowning theory happening in the morning... Jbaez would have some splainin' to do...

    3rd bold:

    If the girl was thinking of suicide why did she type in fool-proof suffocation? >>>> That would have to mean that she really thought fool-proof suffocation sites would discuss thoughts of suicide... :doh: I can think of 100 better things to type in...

    All jmo.
     
  10. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    This video hit me straight in the feels.
    What a beautiful and sweet child she was.
    The ending really got to me. Crying :tantrum:
     
  11. heidisams

    heidisams Member

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    Yes! I agree....

    All jmo.
     
  12. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    amen.
     
  13. heidisams

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    Yes Tulessa, this is it....but it's just a snip.... Doesn't show all her wandering and blank expressions... But, oh my, what a doll baby.... thx

    All jmo.
     
  14. heidisams

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    That girl NEVER put down that phone, I think it was attached to her...it was never off or down, except for the few hours she slept..she went to great lengths for that dumb phone...she robbed her mom's retirement acct relentlessly to pay it. Ca had to eventually shut her acct down to stop her. Then she robbed her ailing grandfather's nursing home acct to pay her phone bill. And then she had to borrow her best friend's (AH) car (because her's smelled liked decomp) and fca stole a checkbook that she found in it and cleared out her acct, but not without attempting to make a payment on her phone with it... And did I mention her payments were outrageous (approx $550 - $600 month)... And that was just the months leading up to the murder... She didn't have a job, but the girl didn't care, she'd just steal it.... So, nah, I don't think she would shut it down over something silly.... And it was charged.


    Yah, I think it was after ga left and it was premeditated....

    All jmo.
     
  15. Gnatcatcher

    Gnatcatcher Well-Known Member

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    Suicide? Casey? Never.
     
  16. jkly

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    I think it was because her other ideas fell through (chloroform was ultimately too complicated for her, neck breaking was too risky, etc.) She was angry at her mother for threatening to kick her out and take custody of her daughter. She wanted to do it and she wanted to do it that very moment. She was looking for a quick solution to get rid of Caylee and hurt Cindy. So she googled "fool-proof suffication."

    I don't think she ultimately used chloroform. I think she researched chloroform, maybe she even tried to make it, but I don't think chloroform was the murder weapon.

    I don't even think the prosecution said straight out that chloroform was the murder weapon. I think that they noted the unusually high levels in her trunk and put it out there for the jury to consider.

    She did a lot of things without a game plan. She stole from her grandfather a second time to pay her phone bill after she'd already gotten caught once. She found Amy's checks and spent over a thousand dollars on beer and lingerie. Casey is someone who isn't used to being questioned, her parents let her get away with too much. She's always been able to talk her way out of it, so I think she figured that she could do it again.

    The really sad part is that she was able to talk her way out of it.

    Casey was and probably still is lazy and she was and probably still is, quoting her mother "not that smart." I don't think Casey realized how complicated and messy murder actually could be and how hard the smell of decomposition is to get rid of. I think something caused her to panic when she dumped Caylee on Suburban.

    She panicked even more when her car continued to stink and left it at Amscot to distance herself from it. She also left an empty purse in the front seat in plain view. I think she was hoping someone would break into it and get their prints all over it. She called Jesse and asked him to go what would have been across town for him to go put gas in it.

    She had a habit of making flurries of calls to her mother. Her phone records show a pattern. I agree with the person who said that Casey would never commit suicide. She loves herself too much and I can't see someone in denial stringing the police along the way she did. Then there's the way she tried to implicate other people.

    And it doesn't seem to me that someone would "fool-proof suffication" they're planning on killing themselves? It would make more sense to google "suicide."

    I think she googled it because she wanted to kill Caylee and she wanted to do it in a way that would leave very little evidence behind.
     
  17. Karinna

    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    Agree, i don't think she was planning suicide either.
     
  18. PositiveLight

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    Was she ever charged with all of the theft?
    Has the statutes of limitations ran out on those already?
    I can totally understand that stealing crap. We went through it too. We made our daughter suffer the consequences.
    Now she's scared to death to even think to do it. Almost paranoid. Which in that case is a good thing! You do wrong you pay the piper. She was totally humiliated going through all of that too. A year probation and a hefty fine. She gets to carry that record too. She's always reminded of her deed when she thinks about applying for a new job too. They need to suffer consequences.
    I'd be surprised if she actually ever had charges pressed by her family.
    Her friend or hopefully ex-friend should've pressed charges.
    They will do anything to keep their charade up and never think of consequences.
    So it's more likely she turned it off on purpose to hide her deeds. She knew it could be pinged. Again shows premeditation.
     
  19. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    She's too narcissistic to do that.
    She's living the "Beautiful Life"...
     
  20. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    First time trying to break up a reply so may have to fix it haha!
    Forgive me if it turns out all crazy!
    ETA: my responses are in bold. It did turn out a jumbled mess haha! Sorry!!! :blushing: Got to figure out how to do this properly!
     

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