Any BDI's around?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by madeleine, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    Or for those of you who aren't sure and open to all RDI scenarios....

    If BDI.....

    do you think he will do it again? (in one form or another)
    do you think he will ever feel guilty/overwhelmed and confess?
    do you think he's old enough to realize what happened?
    in general,do you think that someone with severe personality issues can really be treated or just kept under control?
    and if it's the case with BR what will happen after JR's gone and there's no one there to protect/control him?
     
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  3. SunnieRN

    SunnieRN Active Member

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    Hi Madeline, I am not 100% positive, of course, but I feel strongly that Burke was involved, if not totally responsible. I believe there was an event that occurred between JonBenet and Burke and that an 'accident' occurred. I vacillate on this, however, as the hit to her head was very hard and I truly wonder as to the intent involved.

    Patsy remarked in her Christmas letter about how much Burke had grown and how good he was at softball.

    No, I don't think he will do it, or anything like it again.

    I don't think he feels guilty, as I believe it was handled by his parents as an accident, even though we don't know the circumstances. After all he hit her, he didn't 'kill' her. If my opinion is anywhere near correct.

    I think Burke, if he is responsible, is crazy like a fox. He listens to Lin Wood even above and beyond his Dad.

    As usual, just my opinion.
     
  4. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    I wouldn't consider myself necessarily BDI but I am 100% open to the possibility. My BDI theory is that Burke and JonBenet decided to sneak downstairs because they wanted to play with their Christmas gifts. They decided to use the flashlight instead of turning on all the lights because they didn't want to wake up their parents. JonBenet was eating pineapple while Burke played his Nintendo. JonBenet, being a typical little sister who loved to annoy her big brother, unplugged Burke's controller, sending Burke into a fury. He grabs the flashlight and swings it at JBR. The loud commotion wakes up John and Patsy who come downstairs. They then stage it with the RN and the strangulation to look like an intruder killed JBR.

    I am also open to the possibility that an argument between JBR and Burke caused Burke to get extremely angry and swing a flashlight at JonBenet. It's definitely possible that JBR was taunting him and that caused him to lash out, especially if he had a lot of built up anger/jealously towards her. I believe it's possible that Burke started chasing JonBenet and she ran downstairs to the basement. Burke, with the flashlight in his hand, followed her, and then swung it at her.
     
  5. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    The only way that I can reconcile Burke's involvement in this is if he had a friend over. Honestly, I don't believe he was involved but I do believe he knows that his parents are responsible for what happened and he will never tell anything until long after his dad's death, quite possibly on his own deathbed!
     
  6. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    I am also not 100% BDI, but I lean more and more in that direction, as it seems to explain a lot of gaps.
    I don't think he'll do it gain. If there were frequent violent temper outbursts (as his mother had) would that be something that would remain secret? Given his family's notoriety, I think not.
    I don't think he will ever feel guilty. He may not have even been aware he'd actually killed her- and his parents did "fix" it for him, after all.
    Is he old enough NOW or was he old enough THEN (1996) to realize what happened? YES, to both.
    That type of personality disorder doesn't go away by itself. It may be controlled by medication, but that assumes it has even been recognized as a problem and been treated. It seemed that as he grew and attended college that he had friends and a normal life for a young man of that age. However, his demeanor and behavior at the time of JB's murder were abnormal by anyone's standards (except for people unwilling or unable to recognize just how abnormal it really was). Yet I doubt his parents felt it was unusual. They also inexplicably decided not to discuss his sister's death with him at all- that in itself is abnormal. He wasn't a toddler- he was nearly 10! Of course, they SAID they didn't discuss it with him- we don't really know for sure. I tend to believe that it was discussed on some level, as was the "plan" to keep him out of it and cover up the crime (though they probably did not discuss the details of the coverup/staging).
    As to what will happen when he is alone? Be interesting to see. With his grandparents and mother already gone, JR and his aunts/uncles/cousins are all he would have left if he hasn't married by then. Of Patsy's two surviving sisters, only Aunt P has been vocal on the case, as the other sister has not commented publicly and seems to want to distance herself from the whole mess. (distancing is a family trait). He also has his half-siblings and their families, who also have been pretty quiet about the case from the beginning.
    Maybe he'll write a book one day, but don't expect any revelations. I've said this before- he will not be the hero in this case. He doesn't have it in him. Like many children of wealthy families, the most horrible "situations" can be fixed with power and money. (The Kennedys come to mind on several levels- from Ted Kennedy and the travesty of Chappaquiddick to the Martha Moxley murder to the rape coverup of yet another Kennedy cousin- the list goes on).
    Children in these families, including adult children) usually never have to face up to the consequences of their actions. Lawyers step in, back-room deals are made, etc. They continue their adult lives after such crimes, uncaring, unrepentant and unapologetic but mostly free from consequences.
     
  7. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    DeeDee, thanks for an excellent post! :yes:
     
  8. wonderllama

    wonderllama Registered Snoozer

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    Lack of "gumption" is how I see it.
     
  9. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    I love that, wonderllama! My dad always said that if you do something wrong or stupid, at least have the "gumption" to own up to it and face the consequences. That really took me back. Thank you!
     
  10. celticthyme

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    BDI is not out of the question for me. Strangely, I had an oldest son & younger daughter who were each a year older than the Ramsey children in Dec 1996. My son even got a Nintendo 64 that year. That got me to thinking that if JB tried to play with that game and had the controller, I can see Burke grabbing that controller away from her and bashing her on the head in frustration, knocking her out cold. All of them might have been awake at the time and once they could see she was badly hurt, and thought she may have been dead, went into cover up mode. This scenario, or one similar to it might fill in a lot of the holes for me. Especially how they could so determinately say that they "did not kill JonBenet". They would have covered this up for the same reasons they would cover for themselves. I tried to copy a picture of it into this, but do not know how
     
  11. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    DeeDee249,

    I agree with most of what you say. I reckon a book or more likely his participation in a documentary, some time down the road, once others have passed on?


    The extent of any personality disorder will determine if this occurs. Since psychologically is should be cathartic, and socially redeem him in the eyes of his peers. He must be aware of sites such as this and what for his circle passes for gossip. The day may come when he recognizes all this will never go away. Before the internet it may have, so some compromise may have to be brokered.

    The parents attitude towards Burke may be explained as a generational thing e.g. tell him as little as possible, and hope he forgets with time. Prior to the rise of counselling, this was the response of many parents to childhood trauma?

    All my theories are consistent with the evidence and not one is IDI. My JDI is stronger than my PDI and BDI comes second last. Last is RDI plus some third party e.g. a relative or corporate agent e.g. there was a fifth person in the house that night who assisted in the staging?

    Importantly BDI explains why the parents would collude to hide prior sexual abuse. Including the ongoing silence from other relatives, that is, are they aware of any reporting restrictions surrounding a BDI, and therefore comply with them?

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  12. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    I have to agree that BR being the culprit would have been the "glue" that held Patsy and John together all those years. Statistically, most couples don't survive the death of a child, be it by murder or accident and Jonbenet's death certainly seemed to bring the Ramseys closer together.
     
  13. SunnieRN

    SunnieRN Active Member

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    I agree Beck. Strange how they went from being in separate rooms, while JonBenet was missing, to a solidarity that to this day has never been broken, no secrets shared. That was the first thing that made me feel Burke was involved.
     
  14. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Yeah, and the Ramseys have pointed out on a few occasions about how 80% of couples spilt after the death of a child, but they stayed together...
     
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    twinkiesmom New Member

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    I'm on the fence as to who was ultimately responsible for this crime....with that caveat, I never saw them as having grown closer...more like two superpowers with atomic weapons aimed at each other...solidarity or mutually assured destruction.
     
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    If BDI, though, doesn't it seem like he would have said something to the police when he was interviewed? It's hard to imagine a 9-year-old keeping a secret that big all those years.
     
  17. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    that's what I thought too at first,no way is it possible not to crack a 9 years old,but that was before I learned how those interviews went,lawyers present,only this and that question allowed and so on.
     
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    That sounds alot to me like a theory I had...Burke becoming enraged when JonBenet pulled the N64 controller out of the console.
     
  19. SunnieRN

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    Burke had a lot to say, like when questioned about that night, stating that JonBenet carried in presents from the car. He also talked about secrets. He was almost (a couple of weeks away) 10. He was the older sibling. I can remember loads of things from the ages of 9 and 10. II was also very adept at keeping a secret.
     
  20. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Yeah I read something similar to the whole 'grabbing the N64 controller out of the console' a while back on one of the JBR forums and I thought it sounded plausible. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was ~*taking credit*~ for that theory.
     
  21. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    dunno about you but this kid creeps me out

    http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm

    BURKE'S INTERVIEW



    On January 8, John and Patsy took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot, Colorado, through arrangements made by the Boulder Police department, to be interviewed by Dr. Suzanne Bernard, a specialist in child psychology. As is customary in interrogations of children, Dr. Bernhard played a game with Burke throughout the interview and the entire interview was videotaped.



    When left alone with the psychologist, Burke appeared to be at ease and even told the doctor that be felt safe, even though he did say that he had not wanted to come that day! Dr. Bernhard thought it was unusual for this child to feel safe. "People in this entire town didn't feel safe with the concept that there was someone running around that could be snatching children, and this was his own sister and happened in his own home. Generally speaking, a child who goes through this kind of trauma, where a sibling or a family member has been killed, they don’t feel safe.



    Burke described his father as quiet and that he was "always at work", and that his mother "worked as a mom'. The thing he liked most about his mom was that she gave him lots of hugs and kisses, and the thing he liked most about his dad were "planes". Throughout the interview he showed little warmth towards his family, but at the same time was very protective of them. According to Burke, the worst thing they did was not buy him, expensive toys. Dr. Bernhard explained that most children in interviews will discuss things about the family that angers them even if they love them, but Burke appeared to have difficulty in opening up about his family, similar to children who can't say things, because they feel that there are some things they shouldn't say.



    Social Services had previously provided Dr. Bernhard with some history on Burke which indicated an ongoing bedwetting problem, but Burke denied this saying that it happened a long time ago. Children are usually honest about this in interviews, and Dr. Bernhard wondered why Burke was not.



    Many of Burke's other responses also created areas of concern for the doctor. Burke displayed an enormous amount of lack of emotion, almost to the point of indifference, which Dr. Bernard explained may be attributed to shock, but could also have been a lack of attachment to his family. Since his mother had appeared very emotional when she brought Burke for the interview, Dr. Bernard thought that perhaps Burke could not deal with the family’s emotions and had therefore just withdrawn. Even in response to questions which should have elicited strong emotions, he remained non-expressive. When asked “How have things been since your only sister died?”, Burke responded, “It’s been okay.” And when asked if he missed her, he said, “Yep.” Burke continuously told Dr. Bernhard that he tried to forget about things and just play his Nintendo.



    'When asked to draw a picture of his family, he drew a father figure who was distanced from Burke, a mother figure which was the smallest figure in the picture, and JonBenet was not in the picture at all. Dr. Bernhard interpreted the drawing to suggest that Burke felt his father was not emotionally available to him and that his mother was insignificant and did not have a great deal of power. Dr. Bernhard thought it extremely abnormal that JonBenet was not in the family picture at all, since her heath had occurred only 13 days prior. Most children continue to include deceased siblings in family drawings years after the death because it is too devastating for them to think about the loss. Burke also told Dr. Bernhard that he was “getting on with his life.”, another very abnormal reaction for a child who had so recently lost his sibling.



    When specifically discussing the crime, he related that he did not hear any noises that night and that he was asleep, but he admitted that he usually hears when someone opens the refrigerator door downstairs. Dr. Bernhard asked what he thought happened to his sister. Burke, showing the first signs of irritation during the interview, responded, "I know what happened, she was killed.” Burke's explanation to the doctor was “someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement took a knife out or hit her on the head." He said that the only thing he asked his dad was "where did you find her body", :eek: :eek: a highly unusual query from a child considering the possible questions a child might ask about the death of a sibling.



    Dr. Bernhard felt there needed to be more follow-up with Burke in the discussion of sexual contact. The only show of emotion by Burke, other than the irritation with the questions about the actual crime, was when Dr. Bernhard began to ask about uncomfortable touching. Burke picked up a board game and put it on his head an action indicating anxiety or discomfort with these types of questions and that there was more that he was not telling her. Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret.

     

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