AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

Omg. You mean his work at the family research council, during which he may have been looking at porn and planning his affairs, wasn't a real job? Is it because he had no qualifications for the job or because it's so easy for him to spew hate??? Inquiring minds need to know! [emoji12]


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Sounds to me like a place to hide until things cool down. Once again being enabled....

 

IIRC, David had his friend, Uriah the Hittite, and honourable man and a trusted captain, whacked by Joab. (David told Joab to put Uriah in the front lines so he was a target.) David had impregnated Bathsheba, and had to hide the fact when Uriah refused to sleep with his wife during a time of battle. Uriah had no idea of Bathsheba's affair with David. ETA

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+11-12&version=NKJV

Interesting choice of reference.

 

Simply put, whatever the recovery rates are at any treatment program, there isn't much chance for recovery when someone is being enabled. Josh is being enabled and will continue to be enabled by his wife, his family and their belief system. Without consequences what reason would Josh have to get better as opposed to just finding different or better ways of hiding his secrets?

There is a reason for the saying peop,e are only as sick as their secrets. This treatmenf program Josh chose advocates keeping those secrets. There is too much knowledge about legitimate recovery programs for Josh and the Duggars to be puling tbe wool over anyones eyes.

I predict a relapse shortly after completing this program. They won't kick him out, there's too much publicity to be made with such a well known client.

 

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/focus_on_the_cause.html

IIRC, JD was 15 at the time of the molestations, but he was, again IIRC, between 5 and 10 years older than the girls he molested. So he may not fit the definition of pedophilia.


It's also true that just because someone sexually molests a child doesn't mean they have a diagnosable disorder. There is a big difference between a child molester and a pedophile.

FWIW, I think it's really very sad that real counselling, therapy that could have made a huge difference to JD and his victims, was denied to them.

 

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On the other hand, absence makes the heart grow fonder, and forbidden fruit is always more attractive than the permitted kind.

Anyone who devises anything not on the schedule 1 or 2 drug list that gives the same pleasure as porn to those who find porn pleasurable will find themselves richer than Midas.

 

They did that show Home Makeover, I think it is called, close to my home.

Many people I know participated in it. It is so phony that we were all upset by it. I imagine it was the same for the Duggars.

 

Awww, now.....there ya go a makin' me blush. :blush:

 

Yes. He worked a regular job for the FRC.

 

Counseling should be dealing with stuff other than the simple act of use. It should explore setting conditions, guilt feelings, admission of what was done and acceptance of consequences. Not really about replaying the attractions.

 

Right. But I think he needs serious counseling about his sexuality in general, how his actions seriously harm the women and children in his life and how females aren't sex objects-but people.

He's no addict to me. But I think he has quite disorder thinking about sex and females. He needs a lot of work to unlearn what he has learned about sex, the body, the right of women to autonomy, the rights of women and children to dignity and to be safe and free from predation, etc. All things he has no chance of learning within his cultural context.

In his world, sexual acting out is simply a manifestation of sin and the devil. So "treating" that sin involves not changing one's thinking patterns, but instead, punishment and prayer.

Without real therapy to address why he feels it is okay to use women and children's bodies for his own pleasure without understand or caring about the harm he causes to those he uses and to his family, it's hopeless.

Oh and I don't believe he is a sociopath. I think he is a predator but not everyone who does evil things has a personality disorder. I think he's simply selfish and repressed and acting out years of being taught that men control women and children and their bodies. And that women are dangerous.

 

Unless JD is open to the truth that women and children possess innate autonomy, that women are not subordinate beings, that offspring (including himself) are not pawns to be used in a political end-game, that he's accountable for his actions and that no one else is to blame for his choices, even the best therapy would be useless and a waste of time.

IOW: Unless he's willing to abandon every one of the lies that he's been brought up to believe wherein males are all-powerful, there is no hope that he will ever evolve into a responsible, compassionate human being.

 

Anything that occurs before the cameras on a pseudo-reality show is suspect. These types of shows are NOT reality, anymore than the WWE bouts are reality - they're all scripted. Just because the cameras filmed JD allegedly 'repairing' the broken-down RV does NOT mean that he actually repaired it.

IMO, he only got a job with the FRC because of the TLC show, so the FRC thought it would be a good idea to bring him on board to enhance their standing with the fundie base.

 

I listened to some of his FRC soundclips and I'm not sure he ever was too serious about all that stuff either. He was on a radio show talking about gay marriage and all he said was basically repeat that this is an important issue and we should discuss and listen to the voters and it's is an important issue and there should be discussion and listen to the voters... He didn't really say much about what he thinks or why gay marriage would be evil, just reiterated that we should talk some more about it. He sounded just like a politician, talking importantly but saying very little of any consequence.


Sorry I have no idea where to locate a link so it's just MOO.

He probably liked himself some lesbian scenes in porn films so the anti gay agenda was a bit conflicted.

 

At about 2:50 in the following video, he states: "I believe that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman - period."

That statement received thunderous applause.

[video=youtube;NAEpK0MIniI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAEpK0MIniI[/video]

 

Correction: marriage is between one man and one woman and all the porn stars that the man can bag.

 

In the following video he refers to "natural marriage".

He urged the audience to go to the FRC website and look at "Marriage on Trial".

At about 1:50, he states: "I believe sincerely that the people of every state should remain free to uphold marriage as a union of ONE man and ONE woman."

I think it's apparent that's he's opposed to gay marriage.

[video=youtube;O9xi8P0tUZ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9xi8P0tUZ0[/video]

 

I. Love. You. Indeed, for this dude to become a real man, he would have to divest himself from all the carpools he has been spoon fed through his life. Problem is, I don't think he is interested in it. This way, he is always on top -lol- always in control, beyond accountable. Comfy place to be.

 

He also said some lovely things about his wife Anna and their precious family... all the while he was ****ing porn stars.

MOO he has memorized a lot of talking points and knows exactly what he should say to get an applause from a fundie crowd.

 

King David had an affair, Prince Josh allegedly had an affair. Why are the womenfolk raising such a stink?<insert sarcastic emoticon>

Regarding what the source added: "I just wish she could be left alone to figure out her own feelings on this matter."

I'm not convinced Anna knows how she feels - other than feeling understandably devastated. Beyond that, she's likely feeling the pressure of everything she's ever been taught: to forgive, to forget, to blame herself, and to at all times smile.

In my conversations with my own extended family members, King David's actions are often justified - even when he caused the death of Uriah on the battlefront. They tell me "God forgave him". In this day and age, he would have been charged with war crimes.

This is the legacy of bowing to authority without question.

I agree, Inthedetails, it's like banging your head against a wall.

Those who wish to justify heinous actions - even murder and infidelity - will always find an excuse. But it doesn't mean that those who have a true understanding of right and wrong must accept those excuses.