AR - Rep. Harris rehomed his adopted daughter to man who sexually abused her

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  1. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you-I couldnt agree more.
     


  2. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    I don't know that DHS placed those little girls with the Harris as foster children. This news story indicates the biological mother wanted the Harris' to adopt the girls. It sounds more like a private adoption of three little girls that a private attorney facilitated. I'm betting that same attorney facilitated the hand-off to Francis.

    Harris' attorney, Jennifer Wells, said the lawmaker and his wife adopted the 6- and 3-year-old girls in March 2013 at the request of the children's mother.

    http://hosted2.ap.org/OHWIN/fe13ed5...egislator/id-c131ee633a5f47998f7ec39c1204c4c3
     
  3. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing about this looks right. He gratuitously threw his wife to the wolves in a bid for sympathy-that she was abused so they kept trying.

    DHS has made a statement that is a read between the lines for sure, but one thing they stated FIRMLY is that they have all prospective parents sign forms acknowledging medical diagnoses and the like with the children.

    He is detestable. Funny how the subsequent families demanded the Harris' cease contact.
     
  4. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    Part of the DHS Statement:

     
  5. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    You know what makes no sense to me? Why anyone at DHS would choose to bully a representative in the fashion that Harris claims? It makes no sense at all. Average folks maybe, but would you dot your i's and cross your t's if you were dealing with someone of Harris' stature? Especially someone who has had an axe to grind about many things. It looks like the Harris' adoption experience was by the books.

    I need more of a timeline. The 8 year old was removed prior to adoption. When did the remaining children allegedly kill pets etc? Before or after their adoption was finalized? When was the 6 year old constantly kept in her room with books and toys and then no books and toys? That is the timeline we need. In the prior 12 months, the remaining two little ones were still adoption worthy. Yet 6 months later, they were dumped.
     
  6. PrimeSuspect

    PrimeSuspect Under the Milky Way

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    I agree!
     
  7. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    So, one thing I can't get beyond is how utterly strange Rep. Harris' reply was to this reporter, back in February. Tremendously defensive, and tossing about Bible verses. That is very disturbing to me. It causes me pause to consider what the environment may have been like in the home. He answers the question not as a father or a legislator, or a "child development specialist", but more like an evangelical preacher, or someone coming apart at the seams. Coming from a legislator, who is quite accustomed to speaking in public, and being asked tough questions, and who should be savvy socially, that is just *bizarre* behavior, IMO.


    http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/a-child-left-unprotected/Content?oid=3691164

    And, he hired a PR firm when the story broke. Hmmmmm.
     
  8. southsleuth

    southsleuth New Member

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    I have worked in the political arena for years. Some of us think legislators should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the population. No matter the party affiliation, it isn't so.
     
  9. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    link to above
     
  10. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    But that is the thing, I don't hold him to a higher standard than I would hold anyone. Six months? That is what they gave this? After recognizing they could not deal with the other child? But not these. But almost immediately they decide they are unhandlable? Really? We do not do this with our bios. We used to. And we now recognize that as a cowardly, selfish, abusive, act. We put those embarrassing, unhandlable, relatives in institutions, basements, out of sight. That is not acceptable now. It should not be.

    They committed to parenting these children. WTF? I am not saying rehoming should not happen if it is needed or in the best interest of the child. But for crying out loud, to let the adoptive parents unilaterally decide what is in the best interest of the children? The put upon, over it, parents? Really?
     
  11. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    Why Arkansas State Representative GAVE AWAY his adopted daughters

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-daughter-six-sister-friend-raped-her.html
     
  12. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    I think he's trying to hitch a ride on the anti-DHS public sentiment that is tied to the Stanley case even though they are totally, totally unrelated. The way DHS worded their statement gives the impression they were not involved in facilitating the Harris adoption. I think what more likely happened is that DHS took the 8-year-old because her adoption was not finalized. But the adoption of the other two girls was finalized and not thru foster placement so it would be abandonment. Harris should know that fact as a legislator which is why he gave them away.

    The Harris' had no intention of keeping any of the children, imo. There were part of a pipeline of "suppliers" and got caught because of Francis.

    JMO
     
  13. Margo/Mom

    Margo/Mom Active Member

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    Also--the earlier adoptions were international, so the vetting would not have been done by DHS. And depending on the country and agency may have been quite cursory.
     
  14. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching Well-Known Member

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    District Attorney David Prater said Tammy Bass-LeSure used her position as a district court judge to influence the state Department of Human Services and the juvenile court to “accomplish her goal of being awarded custodial placement and adoption approval for the children.”

    She then handed the kids over to the sister of her courtroom bailiff, Ravonda Edwards.

    “Even before the adoption was finalized, Tammy Bass-LeSure and her husband, Karlos, abandoned the children by giving them to Ravonda Edwards,” Prater said in a statement, adding that an investigation “established proof of criminal activity.”

    https://nationalparentsorganization.org/recent-articles?id=21634

    Sound familiar? As soon as I saw the title on this case, it reminded me of this particular District Judge and how she "rehomed" her adopted children. It appears to be the "loophole" some are finding in order to gain access to children and maybe the overall picture is a lot larger than we are seeing via arrests.
     
  15. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    I think you are all on to something. It is also where my mind went the instant I read the initial story. There is a very strong FBI presence in Little Rock. My hope is that they are currently combing the web for images of all three girls. Certainly the six year old.

    Francis admitted to abusing this little one as well as two under age girls he met through church, for those who were unaware that there were at least two other victims rolled into his sentence:

    LINK HERE
     
  16. daisy7

    daisy7 Retired WS Staff

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    He also offered another explanation in an interview with Arkansas Online saying: 'When our adoption became final, we went to the court, the whole family, exchanged teddy bears and everything - and it was like a light bulb suddenly flipped on for the girls.

    'They knew, suddenly knew, that this was their forever home, and they were no longer ever going back to Mom's house.

    'There was anger and an instant behavior change.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-away-trusted-friend-raped-young-girl.html

    Why did the girls become angry when they were adopted??

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  17. daisy7

    daisy7 Retired WS Staff

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  18. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    They got angry because they weren't going back to bio Mom.
    It isn't an uncommon reaction but it's one that can be worked through. :twocents:
     
  19. Margo/Mom

    Margo/Mom Active Member

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    I think that perhaps the behavior is being misinterpreted. A kid who has experienced abuse in a "forever family" may panic when their status changes from foster to adoptive. There is also a grieving process that adoptive families may overlook. While the adoptive family is rejoicing at the completion of their family, the child is experiencing the loss of their bio family. Bonding is an incredibly powerful thing--and it encompasses both wonderful parents and hideous ones. And abuse--particularly sexual abuse--can be a very tangled web of emotions. Children are (typically) not simply thrown down and raped forcibly. They may well be seduced/groomed and experience a sense of being special or loved. Or they may be convinced that they are at fault, doomed, unlovable in any other circumstances. And the loss of the bio family may include others beyond the abuser.

    But the experience of children dramatically changing behavior once adoption is finalized is not at all unusual, or at certain critical milestones. Some children who have never been in a home for more than a year may start withdrawing at the end of a year--in the expectation of being rejected again.

    All of this adds up to a great need for multiple supports for children and families, particularly through foster care and adoption. This includes the legal support of requiring a role for cps and the judicial system any time a child (particularly an adopted child) changes custody. They may not always get it right--but at least they have a base of experience.
     
  20. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    The whole re-homing concept is so offensive to me as an adoptive parent. There were no red flags during the 6 month trial? I do see re-homing as trafficking these children.

    And, it points to another issue that many families face. When you have a (bio or adopted) child who is in need of psychiatric help, there are not enough services or supports available to families. So, if DHS could not help Harris and he was getting information from doctors that the children were a danger to self or others, why did he not have them hospitalized? If Harris found that his family could not meet the children's needs, why did he think he was qualified to find a healthier placement? As a country we have a massive gap in helping children who need psychiatric support.

    Adoption of older kids can require lots of support mechanisms that might not be covered by insurance and are expensive. I am often concerned when people adopt and don't have the financial stability to take care of the issues. It has been one of the hardest things when I get requests to help fund adoptions. If a couple/person does not have the ability to weather the bumps, what happens when they hit these situations.

    I hope they go after the Harris family with the full force of the law. No child (bio or adopted) should be able to given away or shuttled between people, especially if they have mental health issues.
     

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