Archaeologists to dig under car park for Greyfriars - and lost grave of Richard III

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    Gloucester (later Richard III) from the Shakespeare play:
    Is this the lost grave of King Richard III? Archaeologists dig under council car park for monarch killed in Battle of Bosworth (Daily Mail)
    MUCH more, huge article with pictures, video, and sidebar, at link above.

    Shakespeare deliberately made Richard III more ghastly than he is thought to have been - in order to flatter his queen, Elizabeth I, a Tudor monarch - creating the illusion of the "hunchbacked" king whose evil led him to order the murders of the two boy princes in the Tower. Here, Richard soliloquizes about his deformity:
    The play also contains the well-known expressions, "Off with his head," and "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse."
     
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    badhorsie Mouth operational, brain elsewhere...

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    I cannot wait to hear more about this
     
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    Hoorah! Big doings. Just finding Greyfriars after these many years is a big achievement.

    Breakthrough in the search for King Richard III as archaeologists find 'tantalising clues'
    to the location of his body (and it really could be under a council car park in Leicester)

    entire story, with pictures, at link Daily Mail link above
     
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    Garden unearthed in Leicester Richard III dig (Independent)
    more at the link above, and at Daily Mail, with plenty of pictures and the whole story:

    Richard III's body comes even closer: Archaeologists hunting for lost King find the garden where his grave stood in 1612

    A bit unfortunately, the Robert Herrick in question isn't the same fellow as the poet Robert Herrick, of "Sons of Ben" fame.
     
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    Thank you for posting this. How interesting. Just exactly what would be left to do a DNA test on after hundreds of years buried. Wouldn't the bone also be gone by now?
     
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    Bone survives pretty well, but it really is going to depend on the conditions of the grave site.
     
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    Looks like they may have found him :woohoo:
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    • Skeleton found in Leicester 'prime candidate' for Richard III
    • 'Strong circumstantial evidence' supports belief body found
    • 'Potentially big find' latest in search for English king's lost grave
    • Skeleton had 'near death trauma' and 'spinal curvature'
    • Leicester University archaeologists detail 'stunning' breakthrough
    • Bones now subject to 'rigorous' testing at unnamed lab

    More at Telegraph link
     
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    They'll probably get mitcochondrial DNA even after all this time. I'm wondering who they will test it against? The Plantagenets are long gone, unless they're planning to exhume another dead monarch for a DNA sample.
     
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    This is a very interesting geneology link about Plantagenet descendents.

    From link;

    Since 2001, I have been seeking a means of obtaining a Y-DNA signature for the Plantagenets. There are problems to obtaining Y-DNA from ancient remains and the best chance remains that of finding living male-line descendants of Geoffrey Plante Genest (Plantagenet) and having them agree to be Y-DNA tested.

    The names Somerset (Beaufort), Cornwell and Warren have been associated with such descent and, more contentiously, in the nineteenth century so was Plant:

    Much more at link. (I am a total armchair archaeology geek)
     
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    Shakespeare, laying it on a bit thickly in Act V scene iii as eleven ghosts of Richard's reputed victims appear before him on the eve of battle:

     
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    Let us to't pell-mell, if not to heaven, then hand in hand to hell.
     
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    (Having just listened to a glut of Led Zep on YouTube, I can imagine Plant singing this!)
     
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    They've found a descendant of his sister so they are hoping to test it against that.

    Earlier, the university identified a direct descendant of Richard's elder sister — a 17th great grand-nephew — and obtained a DNA swab for possible matching with any bones found at the site.

    "In reality this will be a long process," said Turi King, who is leading the DNA analysis.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story/2012/09/12/bones-king-richard-search-archeologists-find.html
     
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    Daily Mail shares an opinion, followed by a nice history of Richard III:

    Yes, he may have killed the princes in the Tower, but now we should give our last ENGLISH king a decent burial
    much more at the link
     
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    Human remains found in Leicester car park DO belong to Richard III... but scientists
    are holding back findings until Channel Four documentary is aired, claims insider
    (Daily Mail)
    the rest at the link above

    Here's the Telegraph article referred to: Carpark skeleton will be confirmed as Richard III
     
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    Remains confirmed as King Richard III

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2..._parking_lot_is_remains_of_englands_king.html

     
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