Armchair psych profile and personal background

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Instead of having him rot away in a Netherlands hall, they should sentence him to 5 years of sharing a prison cell with Magnotta, that's a far worse punishment...

Magnotta and the referent in one prison cell, that would truely be a match made in hell. I would put my money on the referent killing Magnotta. The minister testified he killed because he wanted to go to jail to get some peace and quit time. And knowing Magnotta's need for attention that wouldnt go well... :)
 

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Did this dude say he was inspired by LM? Does anyone have a link for that, please? And thanks...

He testified in court last friday. Here are some links, they are in dutch but you
can google translate them... not the best translation but you can get the gest of it.

newspaper article
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/21435164/__OM__tbs_voor_domineesmoord__.html

Crimesite
Part 1 http://www.crimesite.nl/nieuws/moord/26008-pastor-wilde-eerst-drie-dames-doden.html
Part 2 http://crimesite.nl/nieuws/moord/26009-wat-bezielde-dominee-frank-j-2.html
 

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QUESTION:

Where is LM being held during this prelim trial? Is he still at the P.Pinel Institute?

Thanks......
 

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Magnotta and the referent in one prison cell, that would truely be a match made in hell. I would put my money on the referent killing Magnotta. The minister testified he killed because he wanted to go to jail to get some peace and quit time. And knowing Magnotta's need for attention that wouldnt go well... :)

Some other ways to get some peace and quiet time: take a nap, go for a walk in a park, read a book...
 

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Heartbreaking ...

"But Lin's tearful mother says she struggles daily with the loss of her son.

"She said that before, she was full of hope for life," said the interpreter as she translated for Du.

"(She has) no interest to live in this world."


Read more: http://www.cp24.com/lin-s-mother-says-she-s-devastated-by-loss-of-son-1.1221139#ixzz2PL2TIp9x
 

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Oh dear.....The DIAGNOSIS:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/luka-m...noid-schizophrenia-documents-reveal-1.1222275


The doctor at the Rouge Valley Health System in Toronto says Magnotta suffered from paranoid schizophrenia since at least 2000 and had been hospitalized several times.

The psychiatrist writes that Magnotta, then known by his birth name Eric Newman, was on anti-psychotic medications but didn't always take them, which the doctor said could lead to paranoia, auditory hallucinations and fear of the unknown.



Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/luka-m...enia-documents-reveal-1.1222275#ixzz2PPrKCzRu


Shall we all puke now?

:jail:
 

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Oh dear.....The DIAGNOSIS:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/luka-m...noid-schizophrenia-documents-reveal-1.1222275


The doctor at the Rouge Valley Health System in Toronto says Magnotta suffered from paranoid schizophrenia since at least 2000 and had been hospitalized several times.

The psychiatrist writes that Magnotta, then known by his birth name Eric Newman, was on anti-psychotic medications but didn't always take them, which the doctor said could lead to paranoia, auditory hallucinations and fear of the unknown.



Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/luka-m...enia-documents-reveal-1.1222275#ixzz2PPrKCzRu


Shall we all puke now?

:jail:

I just posted this in a new thread but it hasn't been approved yet.

I'm ready to scream. If he get off on Not Criminally Responsible, I'm renouncing my citizenship and moving to Australia!
 

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http://globalnews.ca/news/451660/ma...id-schizophrenia-2005-doctors-letter-reveals/
"Justice Fergus O’Donnell wrote that releasing the letter squared with Canada’s “open courts principle.”

“Like any medical letter, in particular a psychiatrist’s letter, it deals with inherently personal and sensitive matters … but it is a letter that was consciously filed in a public court,” O’Donnell wrote. “To the extent that Mr. Newman would preserve his privacy, that privacy was foregone when the letter was filed in open court.”

Any risk the letter’s publication might pose to Magnotta’s right to a fair trial is “mere speculation,” O’Donnell concluded"
 

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Chill people. He won't get off. Paranoia doesn't explain what he did to Lin Jun or to any of the animals he killed. His paranoia explains the Manny defence and that won't fly now. JMO
 

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Chill people. He won't get off. Paranoia doesn't explain what he did to Lin Jun or to any of the animals he killed. His paranoia explains the Manny defence and that won't fly now. JMO

Yes, you're right. Just the thought of him walking makes my blood boil. Schizophrenics rarely kill. In the case of Vincent Li who was found not criminally responsible for killing Tim McLean, he was an undiagnosed, unmedicated schizophrenic who had a 'psychotic episode' on a greyhound bus, killing the guy behind him because voices in his head told him he was an alien. I think the reason this ruling was made was because it was NOT premeditated. A schizophrenic in a psychotic state generally doesn't have the cognitive thoughts to videotape it, mail body parts around the country, then get themselves on a plane to Europe. Not to mention his extensive online history.
 

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Wondering about the social implications of all the recent attention to crimes committed by " mentally ill " people.
Will some perps study and affect the symptoms of PS for potential advantage in court?
Should people fear and avoid involvement of any kind with persons with a condition which may cause them to uh, snap ?
 

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You bet they will. As i explained in my post (#1808) in the previous page of this thread, it's the new rage.... NCR, automatism defense, and all the other excuses.

Look this one up : Twinkie defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Playing devil's advocate, for everybody who is saying all his online writings and rants and behaviour proves he's not NCR, that's not necessarily true. The online references can and may be used as ammunition, added to his already large previous casefile history of illness, to prove just that. Again, you have to look at the Toronto Snowplow Murder verdict that just came down, the Guy Turcotte case... , etc ... these guys got off with what appears to be far less volume of evidence and past history of mental illness than Magnotta already has stocked up.

As for the Vincent Li case, yes, his actions were much more spontaneous it would appear, and he was undiagnosed. Does it really matter though? If you're off your meds , you could easily be in a state of psychotic delusion for weeks on end, the suddenly snap out of it if you return to your drugs.

When we analyze this, on the basic of legal outcome, we have to divorce ourselves of emotion and personal vengeance, when predicting the actual outcome, instead of what the right one should be. Yes, it's maddening. But this is the reality of the slippery slope we've gone down in modern times in this country. In our courts, in our schools, in our workplaces (example: Hi Susan, that's a very nice dress you're wearing today ... sexual harassment! you're fired!)


Wondering about the social implications of all the recent attention to crimes committed by " mentally ill " people.
Will some perps study and affect the symptoms of PS for potential advantage in court?
Should people fear and avoid involvement of any kind with persons with a condition which may cause them to uh, snap ?
 

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I recall the Twinkie Defense from the movie Milk. One of those things that leave you shaking your head.
 

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I just heard on the CBC that LM was diagnosed when he was a teenager! (Sorry, no link).

Isn't it up to our health care system to warn us and protect us from those who are potentially dangerous?

I'm completely befuddled here.

:bang:
 
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