Armchair Psych Profile and Treatment

Discussion in 'Movie Theater Massacre in Colorado' started by JBean, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. Liz

    Liz I am not a chemist and this is not my 1st rodeo

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  2. newsleuther

    newsleuther New Member

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    Not a sneak preview, opening night.

    I think he selected it because it was a highly anticipated movie that would have a full theater at midnight.
     
  3. waitin'4thewrld2chg

    waitin'4thewrld2chg Well-Known Member

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    I think JH could have selected the movie theater for all of the situational reasons you mentioned, PLUS for the movie per se.
     
  4. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Shadow sent me this ..

    But James Holmes didn’t burst into a screening of Happy Feet Two. To discuss the meaning and motives of his crime, of course we have to at least talk about why he might choose The Dark Knight Rises as a backdrop (and possibly a template) for whatever private fantasy he was enacting.....

    the film industry is driven almost entirely by the fantasies and desires of young men, and what effect that kind of over-representation in pop culture might have on … the fantasies and desires of young men.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/aurora-shooting-dark-knight_n_1690851.html
     
  5. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    So, are you saying that if Mary Poppins had been playing, his tactical gear would have gone unnoticed? IMO, there are really neat parellels with so much of this...........

    Is is summer, if numbers were his main consideration, there are quite a few blockbusters packing em in, IMO.
     
  6. DeadCat

    DeadCat Well-Known Member

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    Nice post, Nemont. To go even further back reguarding motive, what was he trying to figure "how to" do? How to do what?

    Let out frustration with the world?
    Become famously notorious (is that redundant)?
    Feel a sense of power where he otherwise felt little?
    Get revenge?
    Act out a delusion as The Joker?
     
  7. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    His hair was painted red, the same hair color of Heath Ledger's Joker at one point in 2008's "The Dark Knight."

    his hair was painted red in an ode to the Batman villain’s sinister clown appearance —

    there was the Heath Ledger death,………….. Aurora and Ledger each involved “the Joker,” or at least men who embodied the character and the qualities of the Batman comics’ villain.

    Holmes' delusions are hardly the last of it, as it's been noted that the massacre was reminiscent of two moments from the groundbreaking comic book "The Dark Knight Returns."

    The 1986 Batman story shows a crazed man with a gun who strolls into a porn theater, with the final panel of the scene depicting a TV reporter saying, "Three slain in Batman-inspired porn theater shoot-out…

    In the same story, The Joker makes an appearance on a talk show during which he unleashes a bomb that emits deadly gas before telling the audience he's going to kill them all.

    according to an Aurora Police Department press release, and subsequently told police that there might be explosives in both his home and his car. But the information he gave was only partially true, as there were no bombs in his car.

    In the 2008 film "The Dark Knight," The Joker goes on a deadly rampage, allows himself to be arrested, and subsequently tells Batman there are explosives in two different locations. But the information he gives is only partially true, as he lies about which hostage is tied up at which location
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    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertain...e-Bears-Echoes-of-Batmans-Past-163205476.html

    . A similar, now haunting, scene unfurls in "The Dark Knight Rises" when a masked villain leads a violent gang into a packed football stadium and deploys guns and explosives on the unsuspecting crowd.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2909299/posts
     
  8. newsleuther

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    A screening of Happy Feet 2 would not have a full theater at midnight.
     
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    There were several people who did not react immediately as they thought it was some stunt related to the movie...
     
  10. CARIIS

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    Thats prob true !
     
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    I would start with r/o schizo-affective disorder with delusions. Couple that with substance abuse and you have a volatile combo. I don't see evidence of schizoid personality before he moved to aurora. He most likely began decompensating as a result of separation from his primary support system and failing his orals was the stressor that triggered the psychotic break. Just my humble take ....
     
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    A high degree of planning went into preparation for the final act. I doubt the theater and movie was not a huge if not the primary precipative factor. Given Holmes original presentation on temporal illusion, and him saying he would follow that research, it is not a stretch to see him further his studies in that field. The question is, did he continue to research the specifics of temporal illusion all the while since 1996?

    If so, the transference mechanism to complete the act may have required the use of an alternate personality as a vehicle to transport from one side of the illusion to the other. The McJoker character fits the bill like no other, the movie provides the stage. The research and training provide the instruction manual. The real joker (movie character) is absent from this movie leaving a hole, a role, to be filled. Looking inside this mind is unlike most others and I suspect the fbi and Fenton are going to have some very interesting conversations. This is very much like a temporal illusion brought to life. imo

    Holmes would make a perfect study for someone...

    Did the nature of the research disguise a pre-existing underlying problem? Did that allow the illusion to grow far bigger and carry on far longer than it normally would have?
     
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    The McJoker? :waitasec:

    Are you trying to say he was actively trying to portray a character that was a combination of Ronald McDonald and The Joker?
     
  14. waitin'4thewrld2chg

    waitin'4thewrld2chg Well-Known Member

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    :welcome4:

    :welcome4:
     
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    I like it!
     
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    I so agree with you!
    The McJoker character fits the bill like no other, the movie provides the stage. The research and training provide the instruction manual. The real joker (movie character) is absent from this movie leaving a hole, a role, to be filled. Looking inside this mind is unlike most others and I suspect the fbi and Fenton are going to have some very interesting conversations. This is very much like a temporal illusion brought to life. imo
     
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    Joker in many of his early incarnations totally resemebled a clown!
     
  18. Nemont

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    He'd never seen the movie before, it was a premier. He didn't know when anything was supposed to happen, so how could he have known when to inject himself into it? He didn't wait for anything to happen on screen…he left to "gear up" as soon as the movie started.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/aurora-colorado-theater-shooting/

    "Around midnight
    The screening began. Holmes allegedly approached an emergency exit to the right of the screen, propped open the door and geared up.
    Around 12:35 a.m.
    Dressed in black SWAT gear, Holmes allegedly came back through the door, hurled two canisters of an unknown gas and opened fire on the audience. He allegedly walked up the aisle, firing as he went. The shots lasted 60-90 seconds. The bullets pierced the wall of Theater 8 next door.
    12:39 a.m.
    Police began receiving emergency calls.
    90 seconds later
    Officers arrived at the theater and almost immediately arrested Holmes, who was next to his white Hyundai outside a rear entrance to the theater."
     
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    Fenton had indeed caught on near the end imo. How long before this had Holmes dyed his hair? I think Holmes had a much greater interest in the study of temporal illusion than most any one knew. When a nerd, a top level nerd at that; people give your idea's more credence and leeway than others. When delving into the cutting edge research of any field, you will leave most of your peers behind. It is a little isolating and both sides let things go a bit further and longer than usual just to prove a premise one way or another. I think Holmes had secretly gone further out on a limb since 1996 that he should have backed off from a long time back. Just no one was smart enough to catch him at it until he reached this level.

    He proved a point to someone with this act. Maybe Fenton..?
    I called him the Mcjoker as a joke but also in that I believe him a disjointed combination of a whole lot of things and to differentiate him in his killing character from himself or any other joker we discuss. While in his character he performed this act. The Mcjoker had effectively seperated from Holmes internally at that moment. imo

    I would like to know more on who he thought he was immediately after and for how long and who he is now without meds but... we get what we get..

    The Dark Knight comic book with a red haired joker was out long before this event. Sure he shot up a porn theater but the similarities began. It was announced there would be no joker in this movie. The name of the movie alone for anyone with a joker/ heath ledger fixation would be irresistable. The Dark Knight Returns. After Ledger has died.


    Some of the strange Ronald McDonald clown pics and red hair and sub culture evil underpinnings may have had other attractions. Articles suggesting the joker was an ever evolving entity being brought to life by the latest actor to take up the mantle have been circulated. If Holmes was aware and had read things like ( attached below) while in a receptive mode, who knows what gears mesh in what ways in that sort of mind. He was seeking an oulet, a venue. What turned him to attack this target will come out sometime. This wouldn't do it for you or I but it may have been the casting call the "Mcjoker" had been waiting for most all his adult life.

    from the comic book thread-

    Ronald McDonald becoming the dark knight- story was from March 2011. From the comic thread also.

    From 2011 article-
    Ronald McDonald set to replace Heath Ledger’s Joker in Batman 3
    http://urbandweeb.com/dweeb-news/ron...r-in-batman-3/

    This part I consider as describing from inside his dillusion. From outside I believe some of the earlier descriptions are likely bang on. Like from above post-
    Mcjoker?

    Sorry I do not have the training or the wording to explain what I mean in proper terms. Its a word simili /acronym specifically for Holmes alternate personality.
     

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