Fenton had indeed caught on near the end imo. How long before this had Holmes dyed his hair? I think Holmes had a much greater interest in the study of temporal illusion than most any one knew. When a nerd, a top level nerd at that; people give your idea's more credence and leeway than others. When delving into the cutting edge research of any field, you will leave most of your peers behind. It is a little isolating and both sides let things go a bit further and longer than usual just to prove a premise one way or another. I think Holmes had secretly gone further out on a limb since 1996 that he should have backed off from a long time back. Just no one was smart enough to catch him at it until he reached this level.
He proved a point to someone with this act. Maybe Fenton..?
I called him the Mcjoker as a joke but also in that I believe him a disjointed combination of a whole lot of things and to differentiate him in his killing character from himself or any other joker we discuss. While in his character he performed this act. The Mcjoker had effectively seperated from Holmes internally at that moment. imo
I would like to know more on who he thought he was immediately after and for how long and who he is now without meds but... we get what we get..
The Dark Knight comic book with a red haired joker was out long before this event. Sure he shot up a *advertiser censored* theater but the similarities began. It was announced there would be no joker in this movie. The name of the movie alone for anyone with a joker/ heath ledger fixation would be irresistable. The Dark Knight Returns.
After Ledger has died.
Some of the strange Ronald McDonald clown pics and red hair and sub culture evil underpinnings may have had other attractions. Articles suggesting the joker was an ever evolving entity being brought to life by the latest actor to take up the mantle have been circulated. If Holmes was aware and had read things like ( attached below) while in a receptive mode, who knows what gears mesh in what ways in that sort of mind. He was seeking an oulet, a venue. What turned him to attack this target will come out sometime. This wouldn't do it for you or I but it may have been the casting call the "Mcjoker" had been waiting for most all his adult life.
from the comic book thread-
Ronald McDonald becoming the dark knight- story was from March 2011. From the comic thread also.
From 2011 article-
Ronald McDonald set to replace Heath Ledgers Joker in Batman 3
This part I consider as describing from inside his dillusion. From outside I believe some of the earlier descriptions are likely bang on. Like from above post-
Sorry I do not have the training or the wording to explain what I mean in proper terms. Its a word simili /acronym specifically for Holmes alternate personality.
I like your posts. Caution no caffeine alert.
First, you know what my first thought was, last night, when I saw headline re law enforcement contact BS. ABC, according to some folks here, (mom) have made some glaring errors in their reporting.
all BSnow theyre just trying to throw so much out there and covering their butts, while making everything all convoluted basically for trial.
As you know, I come from the traditional, classic, straight mental illness notions as it relates to James.
I firmly believe, that hes had a long mental illness treatment history, and was able to perform at the levels he had been earlier because his mother, understood mental illness and the importance of medication with this particular cluster of pathology.
I find some of the illusion stuff fascinating and in some context probably had impact here. My basic foundation was pure delusional thinking and his notion that he was indeed the joker.
This only comes up on this thread, in like the last 36 hours, and it was really surprising to me. The notion that the selection of the massacre, and what was being played on the screen, was random. That was indeed surprising.
In my opinion, the theatre, Dark Knight being played, and the fact it was that opening night was paramount and-the basic foundation of the entire event.
OORRA, your notions surrounding the Dr. Are interesting. I think that the package, if any of us are ever privy to it, would indeed show angry tirades toward her. However, I view them, as related to attachment, loneliness, and basically feelings of abandonment. (Ice you want me hospitalized which will interfere with my plan).
He would have definitely been aware, prior to her notifying anyone of her concerns, that she did want him to be placed in the hospital. In all likelihood, she had probably asked him to go himself. At times, that can anger them. But by this point, obviously, he was a highly delusional and apparently frightening.
The date the notebook was mailed, is crucial. For if it was mailed well in advance it was a cry for help. As usual as it relates to this angle of the story. All kinds of nonsense and changes in the story emerge. How long it had been sitting in the mail room etc.
Also, Aurora- when you told us that in this movie the joker role had been eliminated, I had not known that-- that was really stunning. And firmly fits in with him, really, having a job to do that night. . Being his hero.
I totally concur with you, that he completely, believed, that he was the joker
Topics switch! Did you will notice a couple of days ago that the administration, nobly, changed its view on its faculty talking to anybody? What a joke. They told them they better not say a word when everything was hot,----- now, any one in their right mind would not talk to anybody because its clear now, that this is going to turn into everyone involved with this kid, is potentially liable ---- no one is going to say a word.
Both, his peers and faculty are crucial in that they can report behavioral observations for months, in different settings through the passage of time. Profoundly telling information. They would, moreover, probably be able to describe his increasing obsession with the films opening and the joker. They wouldve been able to report that they saw marked decreasing academic performance, and were starting to be afraid of him.
.. Not a peep.
And you all know I would be thrilled to have the notion that she did go to law enforcement, but something doesnt feel right here either. I cannot imagine, why, a LE member, especially in light of the fact that the information is being communicated by a Dr., didnt do anything. (LE)
Theres no logic in the alleged report to LE not being acted on. It makes no sense.
It is less logical, considering the timeline of the information being released. When it broke that the Dr. Was concerned enough to attempt to contact BETA, at that point in that week, it would have behooved the Dr. to instantly, let it be known that not only had she tried to get the BETA folks involved, but fulfilled duty to warn obligations by contacting LE and THEY dropped the ball.
Why on earth would her team not have let that out, if it is true, to the media? More fish.
In my opinion, the severity of his lifelong MI is going to make, for lack of a better word, blaming medication. Pretty nonexistent.
A long history of medication is going to support the notion of bot the chronicity and severity of his illness.
The lawsuit stuff as it relates to pharmaceuticals, typically, happens when an individual has never been on a psych med, starts taking one, and then something horrible happens.
I think Liz said this: Dr. Fenton took it upon herself contact the University Police, breaking doctor/patient confidentiality -, that all along, the way it was portrayed in the media is what bothered me so.
Again, I have to state that she did not break confidentiality in any way; she was filling her duty to warn obligations.
Theres also another huge component of this that, here, has not been discussed. It is called informed consent. Every client, in the first session, is overtly explained, that confidentiality is paramount, and however there are certain instances wherein confidentiality will be broken.
All folks, sign an informed consent form indicating that they are fully aware of the exemptions to confidentiality, and that outside folks will be contacted immediately should there be any indicators desire to harm self, others, abuse or neglect.
These exceptions to confidentiality are clearly discussed and reviewed in the first session.
Liz, I am very upset that Dr. Fenton, and the university, seemed to exhibit absolutely no concern for the community, outside of the university. My issue all along. Especially with administration.
The way this thing is playing out all along, probably LE will now state that the Dr. did not talk to them or did not communicate the severity of the concern/ problem. Cause now, they too are in big trouble.
I certainly dont think any of us can complain, all of those involved have certainly kept it interesting huh