ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

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  1. imamaze

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    Thank you for joining Websleuths! :welcome3:​


    Please remember the following when discussing the Allison Baden-Clay case:
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    Currently, we are considering Allison's husband to be a suspected person of interest in this case. There is a possible second party involved per MSM and it is okay to discuss that aspect, but please refrain from accusing anyone of murder at this juncture. Speculating is one thing, accusing is another.


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    Have you read the two previous posts? If not, read them now.
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    This posts lands at random.

    From here forth, all posts directed at telling other posters what they need to do, think, type, etc. will earn a time out. There will no longer be any excuses. The personalizing posts toward one member and the generalization toward other members is over.

    We are getting dozens of complaints from regulars and from those who are afraid to post. It's going to stop now.

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  8. CIB

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    I wonder if there are going to be any more arrests this week, also if GBC will get bail on Thursday?

    If he gets bail there will be a public outcry!!!
     
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    Something I've been wondering... The police seem to be alleging that GBC murdered his wife at their home and interfered with her body at Kolo creek. If they believe him to be guilty of those crimes then they must believe he was aware she was deceased and where her body was while they were searching for her. With the waste of police and SES resources, I'm wondering if there is not a charge or fine that could be applied for that? Anyone know?
     
  11. The Dark Shadow

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    Thanks Hawkins,
    Once again, i am sorry if it seems that i have been picking on your posts. I have responded to quite a few of yours lately, and not many others; this is simply due to the fact that your posts are neutral to the case, and therefore, i consider it safe to comment on them.

    I certainly do not have the aim of finding caselaw / legislation etc. contrary to your view, i simply sought to reinforce my own current understanding on the matter, although, i must admit, it has been great to have these interactions with you, in the form of challenging your posts, as i am learning something new each time :peace:.

    Anyway, as to the cases i mentioned, the 1st one, you are correct - a juvie- I missed that. The 2nd one, yes, i can see that what you say is correct; but i was responding to a post in which you had said that you are unaware of a murder charge which also carries a charge for interfering, so that was my relevance there. Another relevant case is the Daniel Morcombe accused. However, looking at your first post, you did say:

    which suggests that you are aware that there are provisions for this. However, my challenge to you was with your more recent post, which said:

    BBM

    So, on the whole, i was attempting to convey the fact that, yes, the murder charge may still stick, as it has in previous cases, regardless of the fact that interference has no effect on sentence.

    Judging by what you have said, the chances of this are not as strong as what we are led to believe via MSM, and that the charge may be mitigated to manslaughter (with increased gravity). But this is not a guarantee. We will have to wait and see.

    Regarding the process of joinder, i will have to get back to you on that. I am sure i have read of it in QLD legislation somewhere... maybe not for indictable offences though?!?!?!

    As for the rest, you are saying that a manslaughter charge can be increased to a murder charge, via manslaughter? I was actually aware that unlawful homicide refers to both murder and manslaughter, and so now i have completely confused myself :confused::waitasec:. I will have to go and review some legislation i think.

    Anyway, cheers Hawkins. I look forward to your reply :)
     
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    We had a lot of problems with members following these guidelines these past 12 hours. I can't stress enough how much of a problem this is for this thread.

    Please remember this before you post. :please:
     
  13. The Dark Shadow

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    I believe that there have been cases in the past, where the costs involved with misusing police resources have been charged to the responsible party. I am not 100% sure if these cases i refer to are Australian (am going off memory here), but i will look into it for you :)
    I know that the US authorities were considering this for the 'balloon boy' family (remember that? :floorlaugh:), so i may be getting mixed up with that case.
     
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    This applies, but i doubt it would be persued in this case:
    CRIMINAL CODE 1899 - SECT 140

    140 Attempting to pervert justice A person who attempts to obstruct, prevent, pervert, or defeat the course of justice is guilty of a crime.
    Maximum penalty 7 years imprisonment.
     
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    me = :eek:fftobed:
    nighty night :)
     
  16. Hawkins

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    The confusion arises because the Criminal Practice Rules require a manslaughter charge to be written as 'unlawful killing' on an indictment. A jury can't be asked to find murder if the charge is an unlawful killing but can be asked to rule on an unlawful killing if the trial is for murder. There's not much to lose by indicting for murder. Crown can always abandon the intention element even during the actual trial if a witness doesn't come up to proof for example. IMO. Enjoying your posts btw.
     
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    Allison Baden-Clay's friends organise event to pay tribute and support daughters

    June 18, 2012 12:00AM

    FRIENDS of slain Brookfield mum Allison Baden-Clay will band together for a day of health and well-being aimed at celebrating womanhood, the 43-year-old's life and to help raise funds for her three daughters.
    Former Ipswich Girls' Grammar schoolmate Deanne Hudson said she was inspired by something Mrs Baden-Clay's friend Kerry-Anne Walker said at the funeral.

    "When all this happened with Allison, I just lost sleep like everybody else and I started to think about how I could bring something positive out of this whole thing," she said.

    "Kerry-Anne said, 'Don't wait, do - do something with your life' and I just thought ... many of us in life put things off, we hold back from doing something."

    The event, Wear it Today for Allison, on July 16, encourages supporters to wear something they've been saving for a special day that may never come.

    "And at the same time, think of Allison and her daughters," Mrs Hudson said

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ls-seize-the-day/story-e6freoof-1226398057560
     
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    Someone wrote on the previous thread surprised that the BC didn't know the procedure at the watch house - I wouldn't know what is required to visit someone there either. I doubt if I was in the situation that they found themselves last week whether I would have the presence of mind to read the QPS website.

    For most of us I would imagine, a watch house visit would be a frightening experience, coupled with all the stresses, including the last 8 weeks, I can understand them getting angry. It may not help their case and they may be sorry they did it, but IMO it is perfectly understandable, should not have been printed in the CM, and I am certain it is not the first time it would have happened.
     
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    I was just looking at some photos from Allison's funeral, and it just occurred to me that it was strange that Olivia husband (who is a minister) did not participate in officiating at the funeral.

    I am a catholic and often ministers from other denominations participate in important life liturgies, e.g. weddings and funerals, and if I had a BIL who was a minister I would want him included in my funeral. I don't recall seeing a photo of Olivia at the funeral, but surely she was present.
     
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    Coincidentally the pastors last tweet was about officiating at a friends wedding at Easter time from memory.

    Also just noticed the sales at century 21 for the last few weeks prior. 11th April was a good day for sales. IMO 23 properties sold in 6 months means there must have been some money coming in?
    http://www.realestate.com.au/sold/by-xcekeo/list-1
     
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    The rules are the same on Websleuths for everyone, no matter what part of the globe. And if the posts we've been dealing with were acceptable in Australia, we wouldn't be getting the large amount of alerts that we've been receiving - all from fellow Aussies.

    I am not going to point out posts and embarrass the posters, so I'll try to give a generic example.

    One poster says "I think ABC killed XYZ with a rope in the library".

    Next poster says "You are nuts. Go back and read the last 4 threads that include all of our hard work and maybe you won't sound so much like a yank".

    Last poster says "One poster, I will have to disagree. The evidence provided in the last three threads can educate you on the error. There wasn't a library in the home and we were able to establish that was just a rumor. Our rumor post is located here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122498"


    Now, in this brief example above, I'm hoping it is obvious that "Next Poster" is the one who is going to receive the time out. They said the same thing as "Last Poster", however "Next Poster" was snarky and rude and "Last Poster" was respectful and helpful.

    Hope that helps.

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