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If she's bonded out and placed in a facility in the ideal situation you're talking about, is she there voluntarily? If so, she could leave on her own. She's already demonstrated that she's a danger to others, right? If she's at a point in her possible mental illness where she thinks that there's nothing wrong with her, and she's there voluntarily, what's going to keep her from leaving?
Here's some help: Susan Smith.I am unsure if I can find one meeting those exact parameters, but I can try to link cases that would be comparable. I need to remember if I have any active subscriptions.
Here's some help: Susan Smith.
If she is bonded out of jail she is free to go anywhere unless they put restrictions on her. Ideally, they would transfer her directly from jail. There are acute level facilities that are locked but they are fewer and fewer. I am pretty sure that UNC is a locked unit.
Her defense tried to use that excuse.I am unaware that she was diagnosed with PPP.
Find me ONE other published case of postpartum psychosis, where the mother premeditated the crime and then obstructed justice by blaming others, hiding her location, and hiding her transportation.
Find me ONE other published case of postpartum psychosis, where the mother premeditated the crime and then obstructed justice by blaming others, hiding her location, and hiding her transportation.
A jury convicted her of the attempted murder of her infant daughter, Heather Denise Clark.Pamela Clark:
https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1748&context=lawreview
One evening, for no apparent reason, Pamela Sue Clarkwrapped her baby in a blanket and abandoned it in the desert. Clark later told her husband that the baby was kidnapped. When the po-lice arrived, Clark explained how someone had grabbed her from behind, knocked her unconscious, and when she awoke, the baby wasgone. However, the police noted that there were no signs of forcedentry or visible injuries to Clark, and she appeared unusually calmand unemotional. Three days later, Clark admitted she abandoned her baby and directed the police to where she left the child, where- upon the child was immediately retrieved.
Clark was charged with attempted murder and her defense was insanity. The psychiatrist who examined her testified "that severepostpartum depression rendered [Clark] legally insane at the time ofthe crime."6 Members of Clark's family, however, testified that her conduct was normal immediately precedingthe crime, and it was only after the alleged crime that they "noticed a change in her per- sonality."6 Based upon this testimony, the jury concluded that theevidence was inadequate to overcome the presumption of Clark's sanity.
The appellate court affirmed the decision, noting that the jurycould reasonably find Clark's evidence to be insufficient to dispel the presumption of sanity.65 Another factor which was important to the jury was the element of time. Although the jury might have believedthat Clark could not control her immediate responses to her childbecause she suffered from postpartum depression, the jury had difficulty believing a mother could drive many miles to a deserted road and abandon her baby, without having time to reflect on the situation and control her actions.
The majority opinion in the United States today is in accordance with these cases, rejecting postpartum depression as a complete defense.
Right, but that doesn't mean she wasn't diagnosed with PPD.A jury convicted her of the attempted murder of her infant daughter, Heather Denise Clark.
Ok, so ideally she would voluntarily go for evaluation/treatment. If she doesn't, but bonds out, is the next step then involuntary commitment? The best possible outcome is evaluation and treatment, right? And jails aren't the ideal treatment facilities for the mentally ill, IMO.
ETA: (for clarity). If she bonds out but then decides she's not going to go for eval/treatment, what's next? Wait for the next court date? Involuntary commitment?
We have no idea what his financial situation is. Just because someone looks up the estimated or average income of a surgeon, it doesn't mean that every one of them has a lot of disposable income.
How much does it cost, cash wise, for acute level private facilities? I'd think it would be very pricey.
I totally understand this situation and lack of services in the area you live/work. It is the same where I live......and yes......it's in the United States. People are suffering and there seems to be no help in site for many of them. It's shameful in my opinion, but that's for a different thread.I live in America and have extensive experience working in psychiatric hospitals, as well as other treatment settings. I live in a rural, underserved area, and though as I said previously, written policies are similar to what you have posted, things work differently in practice. It is incredibly frustrating, as I’m sure you can imagine. Because I am not interested in becoming verified here, I am going to read here (this case) rather than continuing to comment about specifics from here on out. I am so glad Shaylie is safe, and I hope Krista is too.
Right, but that doesn't mean she wasn't diagnosed with PPD.
I am not saying that Krista shouldn't necessarily be found GUILTY. I would have to see the trial first.
But the question was, DOES SHE SUFFER FROM PPD. I think she probably does. JMO
Many mothers who have committed infanticide have been diagnosed with PPD/PPP. They have still gone to trial and most have been convicted of a crime. Many have shown elements of premeditation. And still been diagnosed with PPP. Being diagnosed isn't an automatic out of jail card. Usually, it is a mitigating factor in sentencing. This is an area that needs more research. We need to do better at taking care of new mothers and screening for PPD/PPP. I suffered from PPD with my firstborn. Thank God, because of my training I recognized it almost right away. It was frightening as heck. Thank God again, that I did not do something crazy. I felt completely crazy. I did not feel in control of my behaviors. I became violent and did things that required organized thinking. Thankfully, I was not psychotic and had not broken from reality yet. But I was on my way. If left untreated who knows. I cannot imagine if left untreated that the depression turned into psychosis and that when I came back to reality I found out that I killed or tried to kill my baby. No matter how I did it or how seemingly sneaky and manipulative it was. I think that if one is pretty smart that you do not lose all of that faculty while psychotic. I think an actively psychotic mother could put together a somewhat decent plan to cover up hurting their baby. Their brain may be telling them that it is the right thing to do, the altruistic thing. And that they have to cover it up, that the dad cannot find out that she did it because he might try to go and save the baby or who knows what their mind is saying. In this case, I do not even feel like it was really premeditated or that she even really had a decent plan. I think she finally acted on the psychotic thoughts and made up the cover up as she went. Of course I could be completely wrong. But my gut is that she was and may possibly still be suffering a PP episode.
Retired after I had kids but still try to keep up with research and newer stuff! If you're looking at Axis II or personality disorders, I'd guess that the histrionic type would be the most likely to be attention seekers. That and/or the borderline.
That being said I know nothing whatsoever about Krista's personality, relationships, or interactions with others so these are just names of the more attention-seeking personality disorder types.
For acute level care between $1000-$2800 a day. I have worked with families that I am pretty sure earn way less than any kind of surgeon and they have taken out private healthcare loans, home equity loans, cashed out of 401k's etc. And once the patient is stabilized, they can be transferred to lower acuity facility which will cost less. I have not placed at UNC where she is supposedly going, but I am pretty sure that they do not take insurance, so it would appear that they have the resources. If for some reason they did not have the resources I cannot imagine that they could not do a fundraiser that would raise the money. I think the article would have said they are just waiting to raise money and they will bond her out and get her into private care.
I have no idea if she is suffering from PPP, or if she is making it up. Even though she seemed to an extent organized in her crime, that does not mean to me that she was not actively psychotic. You would be surprised by the things actively psychotic people can undertake. It is scary. Thankfully many become too disorganized to carry out elaborate plans, however, many can execute their frightening thoughts.
Unfortunately, our jails and prisons are our largest mental health providers in this nation. Hundreds of inmates are actively suicidal every day. They are not brought for outside care unless they actually are successful at harming themselves. Actively psychotic inmates just get put in solitary confinement, they are not sent out either, again, unless they are successful at harming themselves to a degree that requires hospitalization.
I am unsure if I can find one meeting those exact parameters, but I can try to link cases that would be comparable. I need to remember if I have any active subscriptions.
Mother accused of trying to kill 7-week-old to be transferred to psychiatric facility
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2019/05/15/asheville-mom-accused-trying-kill-newborn-nc-ravine-chapel-hill-perinatal-psychiatric-facility/3678897002/