ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9

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He looked to his left when he was about to enter the police van. Not sure if he was looking for a camera or trying to figure out where he was or the officer with the rifle caught his attention.

I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a bullet proof vest and was denied. He's a coward!
Yeh I was surprised but concluded meds!
 
this is really bad. I've been thinking about the insanity / mental illness defense for a while because of a similar cannibal case in Sweden that I read a while ago. Isakin Jonsson, 'the skara cannibal'.
***spoiler for graphic content***
Isakin stabbed to death his girlfriend, cut her body in pieces, seasoned the meat with spices, fried the meat in a pan and ATE it. He was sent to a psychiatric ward. The problem is that the guy might not be insane after all, after years doing treatment he gave an interview telling that he didn't really want to eat the body parts, he didn't got a kick out of it or felt any pleasure in the act. He said that he came up with the idea that if he did something very bizarre, really shocking he would be sent to psychiatric treatment instead of prison. Today he has access to mobile phone and even internet and writes his own blog from the psych ward. He even found 'love' through at the clinic, Michelle Gustafsson who murdered a father of four and posted the picture with the dead victim saying it was her vampire meal in her personal blog.
Can Luka's defense play the insanity / mental illness card?

What if he IS insane? Have you given that some thought? Given he has a history of psychiatric problems that required meds, there is a possibility that he IS insane. I know we are all gunning for blood here, but if he is insane then we have two tragic victims, and not one.
 
If he had a standing prescription for psychotropic meds, even if he hadn't taken those for a while before his arrest, would he have had those meds reinstated in Germany, explaining his appearance exiting the plane? I only ask because the last time my sister was arrested, they asked her if she was taking meds and she told them she was supposed to be on a couple of depression meds, but hadn't taken them in months. A quick phone call to her doctor and a faxed prescription, and the jail started her back on her meds the next day.

Of course, this was an American jail, so I don't know the foreign policies on such things.
YEs, if on psyc meds, jail folks would instantly obtain them and start administering them to the inmate- withdrawal issues. I def think he was medicated - he talked a lot about Risperdol himself , described being in therapy, visited mental health websites and described several members of his family suffering with mental illiness. His blunted affect yesterday getting off the plane mirrors the "vacant eyes" the drugs in the Risperdol class often induce.
 
this is really bad. I've been thinking about the insanity / mental illness defense for a while because of a similar cannibal case in Sweden that I read a while ago. Isakin Jonsson, 'the skara cannibal'.
***spoiler for graphic content***
Isakin stabbed to death his girlfriend, cut her body in pieces, seasoned the meat with spices, fried the meat in a pan and ATE it. He was sent to a psychiatric ward. The problem is that the guy might not be insane after all, after years doing treatment he gave an interview telling that he didn't really want to eat the body parts, he didn't got a kick out of it or felt any pleasure in the act. He said that he came up with the idea that if he did something very bizarre, really shocking he would be sent to psychiatric treatment instead of prison. Today he has access to mobile phone and even internet and writes his own blog from the psych ward. He even found 'love' through at the clinic, Michelle Gustafsson who murdered a father of four and posted the picture with the dead victim saying it was her vampire meal in her personal blog.
Can Luka's defense play the insanity / mental illness card?

Psychopaths usually are not successful in pleading the "disease of the mind" defense. This is because a successful insanity defense has to show that the accused had no appreciation of the nature and quality of their actions (ie a schitzophrenic who was living in a world of voices and false images).

Psychopaths like Charles Manson or Ted Bundy, on the other hand, fully appreciate the nature of their actions. They fully understand what is right and wrong and they know what they are doing is wrong (and illegal); but they do it anyways. And, in fact, they get some excitement and exhilaration from the fact that it is wrong.

Their psychopathy-- and its attendant narcissism and inability to empathize with their victims-- just means the fact that they understand what they are doing is wrong or illegal does not often deter them from acting.

LRM, I believe, fully understood the nature of his actions. They were pre-meditated and calculated to inflict more shock and notoriety. He wanted the fame as a shocking serial killer. And I suspect his narcissism will lead him to avoid pleading any kind of "mental insanity" case notwithstanding what his lawyers recommend.
 
Psychopaths usually are not successful in pleading the "disease of the mind" defense. This is because a successful insanity defense has to show that the accused had no appreciation of the nature and quality of their actions (ie a schitzophrenic who was living in a world of voices and false images).

Psychopaths like Charles Manson or Ted Bundy, on the other hand, fully appreciate the nature of their actions. They fully understand what is right and wrong and they know what they are doing is wrong (and illegal); but they do it anyways. And, in fact, they get some excitement and exhilaration from the fact that it is wrong.

Their psychopathy-- and its attendant narcissism and inability to empathize with their victims-- just means the fact that they understand what they are doing is wrong or illegal does not often deter them from acting.

LRM, I believe, fully understood the nature of his actions. They were pre-meditated and calculated to inflict more shock and notoriety. He wanted the fame as a shocking serial killer. And I suspect his narcissism will lead him to avoid pleading any kind of "mental insanity" case notwithstanding what his lawyers recommend.

The fact that he fled is evidence that he understood the nature of his actions. IMO, you are spot on with your analysis of LM.
 
Which link was it? Because i just had a pop up form my anit-virus saying something I clicked on had a rogue virus.

It was the Reuters Video and I wanted to watch it. But as soon as I hit the link the warning popped up.

I'm going to run a full scan now. :)
 
this is really bad. I've been thinking about the insanity / mental illness defense for a while because of a similar cannibal case in Sweden that I read a while ago. Isakin Jonsson, 'the skara cannibal'.
***spoiler for graphic content***
Isakin stabbed to death his girlfriend, cut her body in pieces, seasoned the meat with spices, fried the meat in a pan and ATE it. He was sent to a psychiatric ward. The problem is that the guy might not be insane after all, after years doing treatment he gave an interview telling that he didn't really want to eat the body parts, he didn't got a kick out of it or felt any pleasure in the act. He said that he came up with the idea that if he did something very bizarre, really shocking he would be sent to psychiatric treatment instead of prison. Today he has access to mobile phone and even internet and writes his own blog from the psych ward. He even found 'love' at the clinic, now he is engaged/dating Michelle Gustafsson who murdered a father of four and posted the picture with the dead victim saying it was her vampire meal in her personal blog.

Can Luka's defense play the insanity / mental illness card?
Is it possible that he is really sick like Vince Li or just pretending like Isakin Jonsson did to get away from prison?

I'm sure his attorney will try for insanity. I don't think he'll get it though in light of his actions before and after the crime. He knew what he was doing and insanity will not stand up in court, imo
 
What if he IS insane? Have you given that some thought? Given he has a history of psychiatric problems that required meds, there is a possibility that he IS insane. I know we are all gunning for blood here, but if he is insane then we have two tragic victims, and not one.

I don't know where you are getting the fact that he has a history of psychiatric problems. I have not seen any evidence up to this point except what we are being told that a so called handler, during an interview said to the interviewer, "he hasn't taken his meds, he is harmless..."

I don't know what the legal definition is of "insane" but what I do know is he seemed to have committed this murder with a method in mind, he fled the country knowing what he did and that he would be arrested. I don't call that "insane".
 
It was the Reuters Video and I wanted to watch it. But as soon as I hit the link the warning popped up.

I'm going to run a full scan now. :)

Sorry about that. Odd that I didn't get the same warning. I figured Reuters was ok. :sigh:
 
It is always so interesting to me how everyone looks at a video and sees totally different things. In the up close video at the airport, I think he looks drugged. I didn't see the smirk. He looks like if they let go of him, he would fall over. He did this, I have no doubt. I have discovered a whole new world during this case. I had never even heard of the dark web and I wish I never had. It is sickening.
 
I don't know where you are getting the fact that he has a history of psychiatric problems. I have not seen any evidence up to this point except what we are being told that a so called handler, during an interview said to the interviewer, "he hasn't taken his meds, he is harmless..."

I don't know what the legal definition is of "insane" but what I do know is he seemed to have committed this murder with a method in mind, he fled the country knowing what he did and that he would be arrested. I don't call that "insane".

After his arrest in Toronto on fruad charges, he was ordered by the courts to stay on his medications. There was a psych evaluation at that time too, I believe.
 
My take on his mental status is that he is nuts, absolutely bat sh** crazy, but not insane under the legal definition. The one true marker for criminal insanity is that the defendant was so deeply immersed in their mental illness that they were incapable of understanding that what they were doing was wrong.

This is where I think the Internet postings, and information that can definitively link LM to those postings and accounts will be important, because that is where he lived, and where he expressed himself. It's where he made it clear that he knows he is different and that murder is wrong.

He didn't care that murder was wrong. That's not legal insanity, in fact, it's almost the opposite, as one must make a choice not to care when society pounds it into us daily to care more about our fellow man.

He had a plan here, there was a reason for the video, a point that he was trying to make about either society or himself.

MOO
 
What if he IS insane? Have you given that some thought? Given he has a history of psychiatric problems that required meds, there is a possibility that he IS insane. I know we are all gunning for blood here, but if he is insane then we have two tragic victims, and not one.

well I've been thinking about the possibility of he being insane since the day I read about him in the end of May. But after reading a lot of his own web trail it makes me wonder if he didn't do this simply for attention and thought he could get away and not be punished. IDK, it is still a mystery to me. If you read my previous posts I wrote that he looked a bit out of it and I wondered if he had a mental breakdown. So I'm not looking for vengeance, I'm just curious about possibilites.

Anyway, my most sincere apologies if I sound negative but I live in Brazil and I've seen a lot of horrible crimes where people played the insanity card, were sent for psychiatric treatment, manipulated the doctors with good behaviour and got released to society after just a couple of years, some of them just got right back were they left and started killing again. It is not fair to the family of those victims. I know every country have a different kind of law and justice, different prison facilities and privileges and psychiatric wards treatment. I'm just looking at this case from my point of view from a different cultural background, it's the most bizarre case I've read because there is the internet factor with video broadcasting, social networks in the mix, the search for fame, movie references. Again, forgive me if I sounded cold hearted, I know both families of the killer and victim lost their sons and I can't imagine how horrible they might feel. I hope I made myself clear. Take care
 
After his arrest in Toronto on fruad charges, he was ordered by the courts to stay on his medications. There was a psych evaluation at that time too, I believe.

Can you find where there was a psych evaluation or where it is mentioned? In what I have read - that was printed about the fraud charges I didn't see that information provided. What I did see was a $ amount that he reported was a monthly expense for "medication". Nothing else in the report from the courts that I saw mentioned "psych" meds. He could have any kind of condition that requires meds. He believe he wrote he was "HIV".

Well we will know soon enough if he goes through a psych evaluation in the next couple of days.

My personal opinion is that he will be found "fit to stand trial" and then hopefully we will get answers to the myriad of questions about this entire situation.
 
well I've been thinking about the possibility of he being insane since the day I read about him in the end of May. But after reading a lot of his own web trail it makes me wonder if he didn't do this simply for attention and thought he could get away and not be punished. IDK, it is still a mystery to me. If you read my previous posts I wrote that he looked a bit out of it and I wondered if he had a mental breakdown. So I'm not looking for vengeance, I'm just curious about possibilites.

Anyway, my most sincere apologies if I sound negative but I live in Brazil and I've seen a lot of horrible crimes where people played the insanity card, were sent for psychiatric treatment, manipulated the doctors with good behaviour and got released to society after just a couple of years, some of them just got right back were they left and started killing again. It is not fair to family of those victims. I know every country have a different kind of law and justice, different prison facilities and privileges and psychiatric wards treatment. I'm just looking at this case from my point of view from a different cultural background, it's the most bizarre case I've read because there is the internet factor with video broadcasting, social networks in the mix, the search for fame, movie references. Again, forgive me if I sounded cold hearted, I know both families of the killer and victim lost their sons and I can't imagine how horrible they might feel. Take care

No apologies are needed!!! We're all just throwing around thoughts. I am not an apologist for LRM--not at all--I am just trying to make some sense out of this senseless crime. He may not fit the "Legal" definition of insanity, but i think we can all agree he committed an insane crime. I know emotions are running high with this case and many would like to see him sliced and diced in prison, but if some good could come out of this tragedy through studying him to see what makes him tick so that we can more easily spot the warning signs in others in the future, i would rather he be sent to a mental institution. But make no mistake...he should be kept on lock down for the rest of his life, and have no frills either.
 
Can you find where there was a psych evaluation or where it is mentioned? In what I have read - that was printed about the fraud charges I didn't see that information provided. What I did see was a $ amount that he reported was a monthly expense for "medication". Nothing else in the report from the courts that I saw mentioned "psych" meds. He could have any kind of condition that requires meds. He believe he wrote he was "HIV".

Well we will know soon enough if he goes through a psych evaluation in the next couple of days.

My personal opinion is that he will be found "fit to stand trial" and then hopefully we will get answers to the myriad of questions about this entire situation.

Magnotta never wrote that he had HIV. He wrote on some escort site that his HIV status was negative.
 
I don't know where you are getting the fact that he has a history of psychiatric problems. I have not seen any evidence up to this point except what we are being told that a so called handler, during an interview said to the interviewer, "he hasn't taken his meds, he is harmless..."

I don't know what the legal definition is of "insane" but what I do know is he seemed to have committed this murder with a method in mind, he fled the country knowing what he did and that he would be arrested. I don't call that "insane".
Morning all!
First and foremost I do like LM!
The notions surrounding his intelligence are interesting. I am with Scientific on this one! I think he is bright. This belief does not translate to my respecting him! The chronicity and depth of his ability to create all his alias, lies, stories, and tales most certainly indicate that he is NOT psychotic!
There is a difference between smart and bright (alter ego stuff, creativity in just being all over the internet as different entities , different jobs, different ages, names, vocations, each with different family histories etc. etc. .
Pause folks, --- what do screenwriters, novelists and playwrights do? The exact same thing! Create characters in depth. Create names, identities, looks, mannerisms etc. My notions surrounding him being bright are centered in the “creativity” demonstrated throughout his entire “created” existence.
Again folks – when I shared my notions regarding his IQ earlier some folks were angry. I am not saying his behaviors and or his life were positive. I am saying that bright/ creativity is most def. a component of intelligence. Solid intelligence.
The capacity to anticipate others needs, in order to manipulate effectively, are also indicative of intelligence. And from what we all have learned this guy’ face should be next to world “manipulate” in dictionaries everywhere. The capacity for that kind of deviance (think Bundy?) is correlated with intelligence. High intelligence!
And if we think about it, there most certainly (it is beguiling though!) nothing, “dumb”, in his planning, to assume, that the garbage folks WOULD HAVE picked up the suitcase. In fact, for some time I have wondered if that was fate of some sort. By this I mean it was not a really big error on his part. (LM’S) at all. Twist of fate?
His pathological narcissism (I am so smart) is what got him caught not stupidity – there is a difference! But wait; let’s even hold off right here! And roll with me here for a sec guys: What you all think: of this: He split thinking suitcase was gone. The notion that he went out for his first couple of nights over there (evidently with no effort at disguise) to me indicates that he was not really aware of how fast he was being tied to everything. – I do not think he had a clue for the first 3-4 days that LE knew what he did (his apt/linked the video to him/learning all his internet proclivities etc.).
Then let’s move on a couple more days – he starts to see his face everywhere. Oh S*** so even at some level going to the café that day could be interpreted as heck, I better really find out what it going on, as opposed to him being stupid. In fact, considering the dynamics of what was unfolding, it is what a prudent individual, on the run would do – find out what the “enemy” (!) know and are doing! That is survival……………………….
 
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