Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2

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  1. Barb Wire

    Barb Wire Active Member

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    Yes but he only says what Joran told him. So we don't know how true it is. They both lie every time they talk.
    If Joran told the truth to John it's horrible
    Waiting for Episode 6 so we can discuss this with G
     
  2. Whiteorchids

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    True. How many times has JV story changed his story over the years? Too many to count. If she OD why not call 911 or finally tell the truth. He probably killed SF same way he killed Natalee. I think he has a serious violent temper. Dad probably knew this. He could say anything Natalee is not here to dispute it. Has this guy John and Gabriel done a polygraph?
     
  3. Tadpole12

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    Gabriel's video chat, Sept 21, 2017

    They gave me money for John.

    -35:10
    What, well John is texting me right now
    John leave me alone
    John is going through a lot right now
    he just texted me
    Anyways he's okay
    John's okay
    But he's, I just, I just
    got his text right now
    that's, we're live
    ....

    John original story was with VDS, is that,
    say that we burned the body.
    Not the skull, you guys get it all confused
    What the original story was
    the day when they brung the body down
    I mean before they brung the body down
    and they were in the Aunt's rental property, alright
    There's two houses - two -
    The Aunt's actual house
    and the Aunt's rental property
    because she owned real estate
    I mean she managed real estate down there
    so there's two houses
    Everybodys getting confused
    The Aunt's house, is where I found the remains.
    The Aunt's house.
    The rental property is where she was bashed up
    to pieces
    She was, with a sledge hammer
    She was broken in pieces
    on the Aunt's rental property
    There's two houses so, uhm
    Their first story before they even started doing anything
    They uhm, they said look VDS goes,
    'why don't we just say that, you know
    if something happens
    That if we get caught or whatever
    That I burned the remains
    I went to grab my Aunt, my dog
    and I gave it to you and you
    went to the crematory'
    You know at the time they were not doing that but
    they were doing for dogs
    'And you know we burned up,
    we got the ashes, and then
    we threw her in the ocean'
    That was a total, total lie
    which, I don't understand why in the hell they
    just kept it away from everybody
    But they did say it was a lie
    So I'm saying
    because they already put it out there, kinda

    So the second thing is.
    everybodys asking, how did TJ get the bones
    Okay, remember what I said
    The second time we were in Aruba,
    see they haven't even showed the second time
    we were there, so I'm not going to say
    where she was buried
    After Saturday, I will tell you guys exactly
    where she was
    she was above ground
    but how she was,
    where everybody missed it
    I'm going to explain to you guys
    and show you guys, kinda

    Uhm, how did TJ get the bones
    okay, well TJ grabbed the bones,
    Again, after I found, like you guys seen on
    like on that thing
    I showed all the bones
    All thoses bones are exactly the same ones
    because I took pictures,
    prior to giving them to Aruba authorities, prior
    Now did the Aruba authorities ever treat me disrespectfully?
    Uh, not really
    I was really I was respected pretty good
    one guy said
    "You need to stop posting bull****"
    I'm like "no, 'cause this is true
    what the truth hurt's bro?"
    I said right in front of Richardson
    and Richardson just laughed
    'Cause I, I didn't back off.
    You know I didn't back off.....

    [Took the bones, April 25th.]

    @-24:34
    So, now uhm what's going to happen
    towards the six episode
    are they going to show everything else
    I mean they still got to show where
    she was buried,
    uhm they got to show my video
    they got to show other stuff
    that I released to them
    I don't know if they gonna
    if they are or not
    They got too much
    I just don't get it
    I just don't see
    how they're gonna crunch everything up
    Are they gonna
    they're probably gonna have a lot of pieces out of there
    Uhm, but if they do, you know
    I signed a release that, that
    crooked TJ made me sign
    Uhm, no, well, I
    when I sold my video,
    I liscensed, sorry, I liscensed my video
    to them,
    the one I found Natalee,
    uhm, for six months
    For six months, only.
    So, after six months,
    I can do my own thing.
    I can do my own thing
    and show people exactly what happened.
    Exactly what happened, I mean I could talk
    about everything else but you guys want to know
    the video and
    now if they show the video
    then I can work
    on showing everybody what actually happened......
    ......and uhm again
    They're not going to give these results until ....
    October the 5th or the 6th
    They're going to go ahead and release it
    I mean, ya they should of done it this week
    But I think they screwed up somewhere
    I'm not going to tell you guys
    but they screwed up
    doing the test, 'Cause I know
    haha I know
    a birdy told me
    That's all I'm gonna say
    I can't say.
    ....

    End of video 'admits' to showing TJ wrong location
    and claims to have physically assaulted John Ludwick.
     
  4. Barb Wire

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    Because there are more remains hidden in Aruba in a box. G wants to get them but only John knows for sure where they are.
    G thinks he might be able to figure it out but has no money to go back to Aruba.
    My thought is on October 6th
    TJ will tell us the results if they are 100% Natalee's .It will be over, I hope
    I'm sure someone will help G get to Aruba to get the rest of her maybe a News station someone who has money because it's going to be expensive.

    Or TJ Ward is going to say there were not enough of the bone fragments left they need more. for positive testing <snip>
    [FONT=&quot]The DNA discovered, says Kolowski, is mitochondrial, which takes longer than nuclear DNA to test. He anticipates testing will be fully complete sometime in September. According to Kolowski, the remains consist of multiple bone fragments and he says there&#8217;s no way to determine gender with mitochondrial DNA. &#8220;We are in the dark as to whether these remains are male or female, genetically,&#8221; he says.
    [/FONT]
    http://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway/blogs/dna-testing-proves-bones-from-natalee-holloway-search



    So TJ can make more money on Season 2 on the Oxygen show. JMO
     
  5. Barb Wire

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    YES this is what I was told also So as Natalee was laying there, they,
    he goes on the computer and he's,
    wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.

    But she was not dead, she was still alive,
    She still had a pulse, at the time.
    ...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
    And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
    Make her disappear.

    She was then smothered, she was still alive.
    She was smothered. She was basically killed.
    She was smothered by Paulus.
    He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
    At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.

    Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
    The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
    Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
    just before dawn on May 30 2005.
    That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.

    Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
     
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    YES this is what I was told also So as Natalee was laying there, they,
    he goes on the computer and he's,
    wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.

    But she was not dead, she was still alive,
    She still had a pulse, at the time.
    ...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
    And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
    Make her disappear.

    She was then smothered, she was still alive.
    She was smothered. She was basically killed.
    She was smothered by Paulus.
    He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
    At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.

    Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
    The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
    Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
    just before dawn on May 30 2005.
    That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.


    Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
     
  7. Barb Wire

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    I posed those pictures On SM one is the original one from the OX show
    I found the other in Anita [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Joran's mothers facebook page[/FONT]
     
  8. Barb Wire

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    I don't believe Pauls killed her I think Joran did it he's is the one who always had anger issues look what he did to Stephany Flores
    Dead men can't talk blame it on Palus (daddy)
    Do any of you think Pauls raped her too hmm
    I don't know if he was that much of a piece of crap like Joran
     
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    Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy? - BB


    TY Blonde Babe!
    You've prompted a vague flashback of this event.
    Yes. I do believe this occurred.
    .....................................


    from google USA passport for how many years =
    If your US passport was issued when you were 16 years old or older, your passport is valid for 10 years. If your US passport was issued when you were 15 years old or younger,
    your passport is valid for 5 years.
    .......................


    G claims, having seen JL's passport,
    that JL's first visit to Aruba was in 2009, iirc
    So did JL turn 32 this year?
     
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    Ya, easy enough to blame the dead guy.

    G says JL would have only served less than 30 in Aruba?
    for the crime, wrt human remains.
     
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    http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/09/...ound-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-released/

    SEE IT: Photos of remains found in search for Natalee Holloway released

    September 21, 2017

    (see photo)

    "Oxygen has released photos of bone fragments that may belong to missing Natalee Hollway,
    who disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

    On Thursday, Oxygen.com shared images of bone fragments found at a burial site in Aruba
    while Natalee&#8217;s family anxiously awaits DNA testing results

    Dr. Jason Kolowski, the forensic scientist leading the effort to identify the remains, told Oxygen.com
    that the DNA testing process has been prolonged because the bone fragments do not contain any
    nuclear DNA, which is passed on by both parents. These fragments only have mitochondrial DNA present,
    which comes exclusively from a person&#8217;s mother. But the scientists have obtained a reference sample from Natalee&#8217;s mother Beth Holloway.
    &#8220;Beth&#8217;s would be exactly the same as Natalee&#8217;s or any of Beth&#8217;s other children,&#8221; Dr. Kolowski told Oxygen.
    to determine if those fragments came from her."
     
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    I don't know why but, I remember Beth saying she saw a American boy at the VDS house that night she arrived to Aruba ..
    Looking at her book now can't find it.
    Anyone remember this?
    I'm just wondering if it was John I know G said no.. Passports don't lie but John L does.
    If his aunt lived in Aruba don't you think it's a coincidence that Natalee is buried at Johns aunts house that Pauls & Joran berried her there because he was supposedly watching over a friends property?
    Was the Aunt his friend and was John there..
    Why did Pauls trust Joran with this info he's always talking ****
    Is this is all a remarkable coincidence or a well planned scheme ..Thoughts please
     
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    I looked in my copy of Beth's book. No, JL wasn't there. There is one she describes as a blonde, who is Joran.
    She describes..." Deepak Kalpoe, Joran, The Aruban police, Paulus,Jug, Jodi,Mat,Ruffner, the coach, and I wait for the DEA agent to arrive"
     
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    Join TEAMGABE tonight 9pm eastern time on the Natalee Holloway investigation .
     
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    -38:48 pic of rocky terrain and white house. 2 dwellings?)
    'orange object' Cactus?

    WHAT IS IT?
     
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    I think they G was on the way to where Natalee remains were buried.
    He posted a video of him driving to the area I saw a long fence and houses
    Then posted a picture of Cactus in a field
     
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