ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    FACTS v. RUMOR thread: MD Robyn Gardner FACTS vs. RUMORS, List Only, NO DISCCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    Media, timeline, photo thread: MD ARUBA - MD - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing, 2 Aug 2011 *Media Links Only* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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  3. Dushi

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    I read it that the issue was sharp rocks and foot wear, not whether or not the woman worked for LE
     
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    LambChop Former Member

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  5. Dushi

    Dushi Active Member

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    [/quote]Otto
    "We can see that the female investigator was not concerned about sharp rocks given her choice of footwear".[/quote]

    I know

    Ottos post may have called the woman LE but what Otto was talking about was Rocks and footwear

    So the point was about foot wear and sharp rocks

    Making the error that she was a police officer does not change the point made

    JMO
     
  6. LambChop

    LambChop Former Member

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    See, I read it differently as if the poster were saying that the female investigator is out there without proper footwear. So that was my interpretation. I know the beach patrol wear boots. jmo
     
  7. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    Maybe she wore the dress the second day for pictures, or so he told her.

    She had on nice sandals, I said nice flip-flops, which I call most thong style sandals. They had a heel, I doubt she could walk over those rocks in them.

    Would so love to know what of her clothes and shoes were recovered.
     
  8. R.U.Kidding!

    R.U.Kidding! New Member

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    EXACTLY! Thank you.
     
  9. LambChop

    LambChop Former Member

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    I go down for three weeks and only bring one dress and usually never wear it. Dining can be very casual depending on where you go. If she spent most of the day in a bathing suit and changed because she thought they were going to get something to eat then I could see her putting the dress back on. I don't usually do that because of the heat but I have seen people do that. jmo
     
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    Well, I bring many!!!!
    And i wear then all
     
  11. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    That's right ... my point is that a local woman (investigator or otherwise) was wearing very light footwear on the exact beach where Robyn supposedly disappeared, which suggests to me that it is not treacherously dangerous. In fact, the rocks in that particular area look rounded, not sharp, to me.

    I was just looking around for some photos, and came across a video showing GG talking to what appear to be authorities (investigators) that are wearing casual clothing.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...-Day-Robyn-Gardner-Disappeared-134943293.html

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...r-Shortly-Before-Disappearance-129693613.html
     
  12. R.U.Kidding!

    R.U.Kidding! New Member

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    Does anyone have any idea where Robyn or her body might be??? I still cannot understand how she just disappeared within less than 2 hours--weather GG planned it,or it just happened??

    He did not know that island--how does he leave no trace of Robyn. That is remarkable to me? Help me out here. Anyone!!
     
  13. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    TimeLine (approx)

    July 2011
    - Robyn sends GG a text "Get me out of here." Per a report. there is a fight just prior to leaving for Aruba between GG and RF.

    Saturday, July 30th - GG takes out Travel insurance policy for RG and himself.

    Sunday, July 31st - Flight time from Maryland to Orlando is about 1 1/2 hours. Given the time they would have needed to be at the airport for security, my guess-timate is that they were at the airport no later than 6am.
    9am – Orlando Airport: ABC News has seen receipts that revealed that the couple ordered four Bloody Marys at 9 a.m. at the Orlando Airport on their way to the island,
    ?? Arrive at hotel - and that the two bought a liter of Ciroq vodka after they checked into their room at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.

    Sunday, July 31, late afternoon - I met Robyn and Gary on the beach in front of the Marriott Stellaris Hotel. They had arrived on that day. My husband and I sat and spoke with them for awhile. They asked my husband and I about activities on the island.... Was shocked to see that this had happened, since we just spoke with them last Sunday, late afternoon. I am sure it was Robyn because I commented on her tattoo, indicating that I liked it. Didn't think they went together as a couple, as he was much older. She was also sitting kind of far away from him on the beach chair. She was nice. We were actually discussing the Natalee Holloway case. I will pray for her return.

    Sunday, July 31st – evening/concert started at sunset - GG & RG attend party at MooMba’s/pictures at party/concert; the Balashi Beach Bash at MooMba

    Monday, August 1st - GG and RG bought bottle of vodka this day, per reports.

    3:09pm – Toyota RAV-4 drives by The Rum Reef Bar & Grill – seen on video.

    3:41pm – GG & RG seen walking by the ‘closed’ restaurant gates –“ walking on beach” seen on video.

    5:02pm – Facebook comment: “the 16. I can communictate here.”

    late at night - per GG (on DateLine) went swimming in hotel pool.

    Tuesday. August 2nd – 2:05am - Facebook comment left on RF's wall by Robyn: "This sucks."

    Tuesday, August 2nd – 6:51am Rumor - Prime murder suspect Gary Giordano, who friends said she met on a swingers sex site, is thought to have threatened to kill her while grabbing her by the neck and shoving her into an elevator on August 2 - the last day Miss Gardner, 35, was seen alive. The videotape from the Marriott Resort in Aruba allegedly shows the two having a furious and violent fight on the day she went missing. A source close to the investigation told the National Enquirer: 'They were having a major fight. Robyn was waving her arms and shouting at Giordano. He was grabbing her arms and jerking her around and shouting back at her. 'Then Giordano apparently realized their argument was heating up in public where someone might overhear them. He violently grabbed the back of Robyn's neck with one hand and shoved her back into the elevator with the other hand.' After reviewing the video multiple times, experts believe Robyn shouted: 'I'm out of here. I'm leaving F you!. I'm not spending another minute with you!' while he shouted back: 'Get back here! I'll kill you, b!tch!'

    Tuesday, August 2nd – 7:57am - Facebook: RF to Robyn: “?? InBox me”

    3:07pm - Arrived at restaurant – Seen on camera entering restaurant.

    3:10pm - Robyn sends RF a Facebook message 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' Reportedly went to bathroom after entering restaurant.

    At 3:57pm, Giordano returns to their rental car outside and refills his blue cup, going back inside at 4pm Seven minutes later, Gardner heads to the bathroom again. One witness has said that at this point she seems sober but groggy. Per Dateline interview: went to have a smoke and it was juice...

    4:13pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling

    approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.

    Just before 5pm on August 2nd, Rumor - the couple saw a white Toyota RAV4 just like the car Giordano rented parked in the eerie Dog Graves Beach Pet cemetery; as the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming; the couple stopped their car, yelled at the man and asked what the hell he was doing. When the man saw them, he started his vehicle and drove off in the opposite direction. The shocked couple drove on to nearby Baby Beach. Then they thought about what they’d seen for a few minutes and drove back to Dog Graves Beach but didn’t find any trace of the other couple or their vehicle. They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves (per National Enquirer Oct 3, 2011)

    6:15pm (time seen on video) - GG knocking on several back doors.

    6:16pm – (video) GG walking up the stairs.

    6:16pm – (video) GG walking along the bar.

    6:17pm - (video) GG walking the bar area; then walking around to the back (no footage).

    6:20pm - GG reportedly headed to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police. Three witnesses, two women and a man, told police that Giordano approached them on Aug. 2, saying, "Can you help me? We were snorkeling and my girlfriend is missing," she told police. One woman told police that while Giordano's sneakers were wet, his shorts were not. When Giordano reported Gardner missing, he seemed extremely drunk, a local fisherman, Sergio Silva, told ABC News, although Giordano told police that the two never purchased alcohol at the restaurant.

    6:23pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club.

    At 6:23 pm on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.

    Thursday, August 4th - Robin’s mother arrives.

    Thursday, August 4th – original date to fly back

    Thursday, August 4th – throughout the day per RF – RG’s gmail chat function – turned green (active), orange (idle) and gray (signed off) on Wednesday and Thursday.

    Thursday, August 4th - after Gardner went missing, Giordano called American Express Travel four times, asking about how he could redeem his policy. Police documents show that the American Express representative who took one of the calls said Giordano sounded excited, like he had "just won the lottery." The representative was so troubled by his behavior that the person called the police. per Dateline interview: GG says Aruban lawyer told him to call & also per Holland Tourist guide says to call insurance

    Friday, August 5th - Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport where he told U.S. Customs he had to change flights because of weather, and told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." He was trying to board a flight one hour earlier than his scheduled departure. When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat. Mug shot after being arrested trying to get on a plane off the island.

    Wednesday, August 31st – GG detained in jail for another 60 days (until Oct. 30th).

    Tuesday, November 29th - GG released from jail, free to go anywhere! And do a TON of media interviews...

    Note: If anyone has any updates for the TimeLine, please post!
     
  14. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    You know there's a timeline link now...Salem posted it today...
     
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    I have no idea whatsoever

    At times I am not sure a crime was committed

    Other times I feel certain a crime was committed

    If we knew where they went...
    We do not know what took place in that time span between the fishermen/man seeing them leave the beach and Gary knocking on doors


    Lots of assumptions of where they may have gone, but no facts

    All of the scenarios are based on opinion as there is nothing else to go on


    JMO
     
  16. rossva

    rossva George Zimmerman: Innocent until proven guilty.

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    Is it just me, or does the uniformed police officer in that picture appear to be smiling also?
     
  17. LambChop

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    I do wear sandals on the beach but the area GG said they went into the water is across the beach road where he is sitting and the entry into the water the rocks are very jagged. Where he is sitting looks like the rocky area between the cove and the beach road. So the area he claims they went in you cannot get into the water without shoes on. The whole area does not have those jagged rocks, just the portion where he said they had gotten into the water.

    The woman is wearing short shorts and a strapless top so she could have come down from the restaurant. The police officer in the video you linked has what looks like a police t-shirt on and that may be because they were planning on searching the water. He could be a diver, I don't know. I know the beach patrol rides in full uniform (black) and they wear those heavy boots. I know, I don't know how they do it because it looks way too hot to me to be riding around like that but they do.

    There was a video just posted in the last thread yesterday, I think, that shows the location GG claims they went in. I'll see if I can find it. jmo

    Okay, here it is at the 1:00 minute mark:
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/arub...ylist=14426693

    Crazy part is if they had gone on the other side of the restaurant, to Rodger's Beach, you can walk right into the water and there is vegetation there so I imagine plenty of fish are there for snorkeler's to see.
     
  18. otto

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    Thanks for looking for the link ... I get this:

    Page Unavailable
    The page you've requested either does not exist or is currently unavailable.
     
  19. LambChop

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    otto Verified Expert

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    I remember the first time I saw this video and heard that the area in the background is where GG and Robyn went into the water ... this is a really vague remark given what we see in the background. It almost looks like she's at Rodger's beach.

    [​IMG]
     
  21. LambChop

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    Rodger's Beach is just like a regular beach. Those rocks behind her have jagged edges and look coral like in appearance. They go all the way out so trying to walk out to get waist deep is very difficult and much more difficult if you have no shoes on. jmo
     
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