Ask Super Part 3

[Linda7NJ]

If a defendant admits guilt (to his attorneys) that is when they begin discussing plea bargains.

or they simply get new attorneys and they don't share the confession with the new one. Think OJ

 

[BBB167893]

Let me re-emphasize this:

I don't necessarily think they were out to fool the police or the FBI. Because they don't have to fool the police. They don't have to fool the FBI. They don't have to fool pathologists. They don't have to fool SuperDave.

They have to fool one person out of twelve. THAT'S IT. As PT Barnum is supposed to have said, "there's a sucker born every minute." And, sadly, a LOT of those suckers find their way onto juries and give us OJ Simpson "justice." And they knew that. They watched the Simpson trial. There's your how-to manual right there.

I follow you. BUT, and this is crucial as I've often said, without the "kidnapping rant" as you call it, there's no explanation for WHY JB was killed and WHO did it. Without it, all you have is a dead girl in her own house with sexual injuries. Ask Ron Walker sometime who LE would have looked at first. The RN gives the Rs any number of wildcard explanations AND the ability to claim victimhood. "Why are you cops bothering us. THIS person said they did it. Why aren't you looking for them?"

Does anyone think this might have been the idea?

 

[tragco]

Let me re-emphasize this:

I don't necessarily think they were out to fool the police or the FBI. Because they don't have to fool the police. They don't have to fool the FBI. They don't have to fool pathologists. They don't have to fool SuperDave.

They have to fool one person out of twelve. THAT'S IT. As PT Barnum is supposed to have said, "there's a sucker born every minute." And, sadly, a LOT of those suckers find their way onto juries and give us OJ Simpson "justice." And they knew that. They watched the Simpson trial. There's your how-to manual right there.

I follow you. BUT, and this is crucial as I've often said, without the "kidnapping rant" as you call it, there's no explanation for WHY JB was killed and WHO did it. Without it, all you have is a dead girl in her own house with sexual injuries. Ask Ron Walker sometime who LE would have looked at first. The RN gives the Rs any number of wildcard explanations AND the ability to claim victimhood. "Why are you cops bothering us. THIS person said they did it. Why aren't you looking for them?"

Does anyone think this might have been the idea?

I think that's how it ended up, SD, them being able to fool one person out of twelve, but I don't think that was going through the stager(s) mind at the time.

It was just a frantic attempt to throw all possible evidence out there to point to someone else in a really short time frame. There was so much staging overkill that this crime should have been solved. It IS solved in my mind.

I've often wondered, without the ransom note would they even have been suspected at all? You are right: without the RN it would have been a dead girl with sexual injuries, an appearance of deviant molestation, and an unidentified DNA type in her underwear. In view of the fact that the DA never wanted to prosecute in the first place, this would have been handled as an unknown intruder, period.

The complete oddity of the RN made it way harder for the Ramseys to look innocent, IMO.

 

[CathyR]

Perhaps I did not word that as well as I should have. That tactic might work, CathyR, if PR had been the "other woman." She wasn't. Some people think she was, but JR had been divorced for a while before they met.

I read something made me do back flips.
When John and 1st wife divorced Johns father married 1st wife's mother.
John and 1 st wife are step brother and sister.

I think that is rather strange.

 

[CathyR]

I have heard that the R's had a dog. A little white Bichon. Where was the dog?

 

[SunnieRN]

I have heard that the R's had a dog. A little white Bichon. Where was the dog?

The dog lives with the neighbor across the street who thought he saw JAR at the house on Christmas and then retracted that. He used to watch the dog, when the Ramsey's traveled and became attached to the man.

 

[BBB167893]

I think that's how it ended up, SD, them being able to fool one person out of twelve, but I don't think that was going through the stager(s) mind at the time.

It was just a frantic attempt to throw all possible evidence out there to point to someone else in a really short time frame. There was so much staging overkill that this crime should have been solved. It IS solved in my mind.

I guess you're right. For me, it's more a question of the results than the intent, I suppose.

One thing's sure: there will always be some soft-touch out there. Usually a lawyer, like those creeps at NLG.

I've often wondered, without the ransom note would they even have been suspected at all? You are right: without the RN it would have been a dead girl with sexual injuries, an appearance of deviant molestation, and an unidentified DNA type in her underwear. In view of the fact that the DA never wanted to prosecute in the first place, this would have been handled as an unknown intruder, period.

The complete oddity of the RN made it way harder for the Ramseys to look innocent, IMO.

I've wondered the same thing many times.

 

[BBB167893]

The whole RDI idea that the Rs wrote the note to deflect attention makes absolutely no sense, because it did exactly the opposite.

I figured I'd move this here, since it was this line of thought I'd hoped to examine with this thread.

On a side note, it's odd: I created this thread so people could have at me, and I created it with certain people in mind, in the hope that they would point out specific weaknesses. I figured they'd jump at the chance. But they never do. I wonder if Ravyn was right...

 

[DeeDee249]

I figured I'd move this here, since it was this line of thought I'd hoped to examine with this thread.

On a side note, it's odd: I created this thread so people could have at me, and I created it with certain people in mind, in the hope that they would point out specific weaknesses. I figured they'd jump at the chance. But they never do. I wonder if Ravyn was right...

Whatever happened to Ravyn anyway?

 

[BBB167893]

Whatever happened to Ravyn anyway?

I'm awfully curious about that myself.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I figured I'd move this here, since it was this line of thought I'd hoped to examine with this thread.

On a side note, it's odd: I created this thread so people could have at me, and I created it with certain people in mind, in the hope that they would point out specific weaknesses. I figured they'd jump at the chance. But they never do. I wonder if Ravyn was right...

Dave, it's a lot easier for these posters to "have at" other posters who are not so well informed as you are. Especially those who are shy about posting their thoughts in the first place. I've always looked at the "Ask SuperDave" threads as being places that anyone could go with any question and not get laughed at or mocked. Mockery seems to be the way to go when one doesn't really have an intelligent answer these days. I guess people think this makes them look intelligent. It doesn't, it makes them look like the bullies they really are. Now, carry on!

 

[joeskidbeck]

IDIs love to claim that the rn pointed straight to the Ramseys and that makes us RDIs look foolish for believing the way we do. Now tell me, how does that make sense? If they feel that the rn pointed straight to the Ramseys, why in the world do they believe an intruder did it?

 

[JMO8778]

I figured I'd move this here, since it was this line of thought I'd hoped to examine with this thread.

On a side note, it's odd: I created this thread so people could have at me, and I created it with certain people in mind, in the hope that they would point out specific weaknesses. I figured they'd jump at the chance. But they never do. I wonder if Ravyn was right...

right about what? can someone pls pm me? thx.

 

[joeskidbeck]

right about what? can someone pls pm me? thx.

I don't know either, JMO. Ravyn or SuperDave, would one of you please clue us in? I feel like you are keeping a rather good theory secret. Didn't you guys learn in kindergarten to share? :innocent:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

IDIs love to claim that the rn pointed straight to the Ramseys and that makes us RDIs look foolish for believing the way we do. Now tell me, how does that make sense? If they feel that the rn pointed straight to the Ramseys, why in the world do they believe an intruder did it?

I dont know what you're talking about. I've said it points to a socialist with a military/political background, and I've said it for years. There's nothing about the ransom note that indicates it was written by JR or PR as a coverup.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I don't know either, JMO. Ravyn or SuperDave, would one of you please clue us in? I feel like you are keeping a rather good theory secret. Didn't you guys learn in kindergarten to share? :innocent:

No worries.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I dont know what you're talking about. I've said it points to a socialist with a military/political background, and I've said it for years. There's nothing about the ransom note that indicates it was written by JR or PR as a coverup.

Sorry, Holdon, I didn't mean to imply that all IDIs feel that way. I am aware that you believe the ransom note was sincere.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Sorry, Holdon, I didn't mean to imply that all IDIs feel that way. I am aware that you believe the ransom note was sincere.

...then you're ill-informed because I've also said for years it probably wasnt for money. As I've said several times, the ransom note is probably a mix of truth and lies. Placed on the back stairs as a tripwire for parents coming downstairs. Its length designed to keep them reading for a few minutes. Its content designed to keep them from calling the cops. It isn't that complicated.

ETA the ransom note hinted at an ideology and an identity.

 

[SunnieRN]

...then you're ill-informed because I've also said for years it probably wasnt for money. As I've said several times, the ransom note is probably a mix of truth and lies. Placed on the back stairs as a tripwire for parents coming downstairs. Its length designed to keep them reading for a few minutes. Its content designed to keep them from calling the cops. It isn't that complicated.

ETA the ransom note hinted at an ideology and an identity.

That's a very funny thing. The fact that the RN was on the back stairs. How did they know that was the route the parents would travel. I am sure that IF it was truly a RN, that they wouldn't have wanted the police called. So, given that the Ramsey's were in belief that this 3 page epic RN was real and genuine, per your IDI theory, why did they call everybody and their brother over, thereby sealing Jon Benet's death? Funny thing is, the parents didn't seem at all worried that their actions would cause her death. Or that others might not be safe.

 

[joeskidbeck]

...then you're ill-informed because I've also said for years it probably wasnt for money. As I've said several times, the ransom note is probably a mix of truth and lies. Placed on the back stairs as a tripwire for parents coming downstairs. Its length designed to keep them reading for a few minutes. Its content designed to keep them from calling the cops. It isn't that complicated.

ETA the ransom note hinted at an ideology and an identity.

It certainly hinted at an identity. That's exactly where all the dissention comes in. For RDIs it points to the Ramseys, for IDI's it points wherever they want it to.
It sure would have been nice if this particular sff had done as most others do and take credit for their actions. At least then we might have had a clue as to why this child had to die. Since they didn't, it leaves one wondering why not? There's an answer I would love to have. If there was truly a sff, what was their motive and what did they intend to prove by their actions. Guessing won't work, not even when you use news articles about goings on in other parts of the world. Foreign factions and terrorist groups want the whole world to know what they did and why they did it. They do not leave it to be anybody's guess.