AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #3

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  1. Makara

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    Wynarka suitcase murder victim identified as Khandalyce Kiara Pearce;
    her mother Karlie Pearce-Stevenson was also violently killed


    20 October 2015

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    Khandalyce Kiara Pearce **************Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson

    THE little girl whose body was found in a suitcase near Wynarka has been identified as Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, born in Alice Springs in 2006.

    Her mother Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson was also brutally murdered, and dumped in Belanglo State Forest south of Sydney.

    A joint investigation into their deaths has now been launched by SAPOL’s Major Crime Branch and the NSW Homicide Squad.

    The circumstances and place of the murders is yet to be determined, but they were last seen in late 2008 and Ms Pearce-Stevenson’s skeletal remains were found in August 2010.

    SA and NSW police today revealed that the breakthrough began on October 8 when a caller to Crime Stoppers said Khandalyce was possibly the little girl in the suitcase. The caller had not seen Khandalyce or Ms Pearce-Stevenson for some time and believed they were missing.

    (more at the link)
    ARREST.

    Belanglo death: Detectives charge Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson acquaintance with murder

    OCTOBER 29, 2015 9:44AM

    DANIEL Holdom, 41, has appeared via video link at Maitland Court charged with the murder of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson.

    His bail was refused and he was remanded in custody to appear at Sydney Central Local Court on November 12.

    Police today have confirmed for the first time that ‘Belanglo Angel’ Karlie, 20, was killed before her daughter Khandalyce.

    In a short press conference in Sydney this morning, police said Karlie was murdered between December 14 and 15, 2008, and that tragically her daughter was kept alive for some time after her murder.

    It comes after an acquaintance of Karlie was charged with her murder.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal Daniel Holdom was taken into custody at Cessnock police station by homicide detectives at 4.15pm yesterday.

    He was charged with one count of murder late last night relating to the death of the 20-year-old mother — but has not been charged over the murder of her two-year-old daughter Khandalyce.

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  3. DutchTreat

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    Have Karlie and Khandalyce BOTH been seen in Canberra or just Karlie?
    Does anyone know if Karlie was pulled over at Coober Pedy heading toward Alice Springs? Or heading toward Adelaide?

    The reason I'm asking if Karlie possibly could have brought Khandalyce to someone in Alice springs before heading for Canberra by herself?

    And the odd thing in that case could be that it appears as if someone could have travelled back to collect Khandalyce.

    Sorry posting this in the new thread as well.
     
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    What would be the reason someone besides Karlie would continue to deposit money into her account, either AS Karlie or as themselves?
     
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    Reposting in new thread so this is not missed.

    Also, what do people think about the person in the wheelchair at the bank, the ATM withdrawals/EFTPOS purchases at the pain clinic (another poster mentioned in the last thread) and the person who posed as Karlie at Centrelink? Part of another scam as they were receiving social security or other income in their own name? Their relationship to Karlie's and Khandalyce's killer?

    Again, sorry for the length of this post. Too much reading and thinking beforehand.
     
  6. Makara

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    They may have wanted to hide income they were getting from other sources. If they deposited money into their own accounts and couldn't explain where it came from, there's a chance they could have been investigated by the ATO etc. Depositing money into Karlie's account was a safer option. If anyone questioned where the money was coming from in Karlie's account, the fraudsters could have just cut their losses and moved on.
     
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    A large amount of money that went into her account that was wages from a person ....... wages kind of implies with some regularity.
    Maybe a person was being blackmailed.
     
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    Marking my spot

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    Fraudster fooled Karlie's Mum

    The Australian
    Meredith Booth & Dan Box
    3 hours ago

    Paraphrased (article behind paywall) at:

    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/subsc...1d32840a78d06bcc-1445963054&memtype=anonymous

    Additional information to that already published:

    Article reports that 'a woman made a series of phone calls to Karlie's mother, impersonating Karlie, repeatedly asking for money to be deposited into Karlie's bank account, after Karlie was dead.'

    So Karlie's Mum passed away in 2012 and Karlie's bank account ceased to be used around that time? They'd been using it to scam money from Karlie's Mum for about 3 years after Karlie was killed? These people must have no conscience whatsoever IMO.
     
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    How on earth do you fool a mother into thinking she's speaking to her own daughter???
    She must have sounded like her, known an awful lot about her etc.
     
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    And what also doesn't make any sense, is that friends set up a facebook site for finding Karlie so she could talk to her dying mother. While the mother 'was in contact with Karlie' ?

    That's just crazy.
     
  14. DutchTreat

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    How does that work in Austrlia. How do you put wages of someone into a bank account. Does the company that employs a person make a digital payment to that persons account? And thus most likely have ID and personal data of that person (being the employer)? Can you go to a bank and make a deposit to someone's bankaccount?

    What are the options?
     
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    I tried to stay up last night to see what they were going to say, kinda glad I didn't make it because I would have been up all night angry.

    What kind of person can not only kill a mother and young child and then continue to scam the poor mother/grandmother for more money? That is beyond heartless. That is soulless.

    And the fact they were killed separately? Just awful.

    Could someone have killed them and then "sold" her id/info to another person?
     
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    I'm not sure it's been said they scammed the mother for three years. So maybe that was only in the beginning and they started to think it was too risky hence why the Facebook account was set up.
     
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    You'd think that they'd keep the account a bit longer. Who knows, there may have been an insurance payout or an inheritance for them to scam.
     
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    I would think scamming someone's mother would be VERY VERY risky unless you really knew the woman and what she'd be apt to believe/not believe.......whoever is behind this had to know Karlie and her mother very well, IMO.
     
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    Or, the mother spoke to someone who she knew really well, and mother knew that person was very close to her daughter and could speak on her daughter's behalf when her daughter "didn't want to have any contact".

    Perp: "Your daughter is standing right here beside me, and is completely fine. She just doesn't want to have any contact with you. You can believe me when I say that she is just fine .. except, well .. actually, she could use a few bucks."
     
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    But the article said the money was from wages, which is presumably verifiable money. That sortof implies that it was either direct deposit or in the form of checks. If they were cash deposits, how would LE know it was "wages?"

    Maybe they just did it to keep up the ruse that she was alive. "See, I'm fine? I'm working, have a job, check my bank account activity if you don't believe me...." ????
     
  21. Makara

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    Key points that I've noted from yesterday's media conference with Detective Des Bray. This is straight from the horse's mouth and not printed in MSM so I think it's safe to say that it is accurate and factual.

    https://www.facebook.com/sapolicenews/videos/948059551938054/

    • It can be confirmed that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed in mid to late December 2008 and the last confirmed reported sighting was in Charnwood in Canberra.

    • Karlie and Khandalyce were killed at different times and at different locations.

    • A significant development in the investigation has been that people who are believed to be the offenders and others have taken over Karlie's identity, her telephone, her bank accounts, her Centrelink and family payments.

    • In relation to Karlie's mobile phone, those involved in her murder retained her phone and it was used until mid 2011. It is believed that the phone was kept and used to provide some proof of life and to mislead family, friends and law enforcement by suggesting that Karlie was still alive because of activity on her phone.

    • From time to time the message bank of Karlie's phone was accessed. Offenders sent some replies to those text messages confirming that Karlie was alive and well and elsewhere. Some of those SMS messages were sent to family members to again suggest that Karlie was still alive.

    • On a couple of occasions maybe more, a female falsely represented herself to be Karlie in communication with either family or friends. Some of these communications induced someone in Karlie's family to forward some money and that money was later withdrawn by offenders in this matter.

    • Karlie's phone was used to help those involved in this crime to perpetuate other frauds and obtain money.

    • Karlie's bank account was accessed in at least four different states, NT, SA, NSW and ACT. Centrelink and family allowance payments and other money was taken from Karlie's account. There is still a lot of material to go through and records to obtain.

    • A large amount of money also went into Karlie's account. That was from wages of a person, fraud and other unknown sources. All up it is believed that over $90,000 was transacted through Karlie's account.

    • On 24 June 2010 a female in a wheelchair accompanied by a male person attended the Australian Central Credit Union in Elizabeth to update banking records and engage in conversations with the bank. Those people were in possession of identity documents and were able to convince the bank that in fact the female that was present was Karlie.

    • Karlie's bank card was also used several times at the Royal Adelaide Hospital in 2010 and was last used in March 2012 in Charnwood in Canberra.

    • There is a significant focus on the financial investigation in Charnwood, Canberra and also in South Australia.

    • Karlie's bank account was finally closed in 2015 after a lengthy period of inactivity.

    • In relation to the Centrelink and family benefit payments, on 15 December 2010 a female attended Centrelink at Salisbury and falsely represented that she was in fact Karlie and produced identity documents for herself and Khandalyce. It's yet to be determined if this female is the same as the one in the wheelchair.

    • The last payments through Centrelink were in 2011.

    • In respect to what is known about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and use of the phone, at least one offender is a male, there may have been more and at least two are females and those suspects either resided at or associated with or were listed in connection with properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra.

    • Most of the bank transactions in South Australia were in the northern and north eastern suburbs except for those that were done en route between Alice Springs and the eastern states.

    • It needs to be determined if those involved in the frauds were involved in the murders. It's clear that some of those people involved in the frauds knew without doubt that Karlie and Khandalyce were dead and continued with their role. The focus of the financial investigation is to determine the role of those people who were involved in those frauds and to see whether they were involved before the deaths, during the deaths or after the deaths.

    • Anyone who was involved in any way, or assists anybody involved in this terrible crime, or impedes the investigation or withholds information deliberately to help the offenders, faces a very lengthy term in prison.
     
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