Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #5 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

I’m sure there will be some sort of communication somewhere along the line, sh3 seems to have had a family type relationship with them up to that point at least.

He was married to the sister of her in-laws. I am not sure how close she actually was to Pastor Ian. She may not communicate at all other than send a get well card or gift. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I think she said she felt “sh%%house”, which is an Australian expression… it’s not the most ladylike of expressions…

Honestly, I'd forgive her for it. Sometimes ladies using hooligans' parlance are hilarious. It is just that the tragic situation didn't call for it.

 

[SouthAussie]

Some details about the memorial for Heather on October 4th .....


Donations collected at the memorial will go to the Austin Hospital, which is where Heather was treated before passing away.
Funds will also be donated to a charity hospital in Niger, which was said to be close to Heather's heart.

Public service to be held for third victim of suspected mushroom poisoning

Wilkinson, her sister Gail Paterson and her husband Don died in hospital after ingesting a beef wellington.

www.9news.com.au

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I guess with the accusations and innuendo she is currently dealing with, I find using the term sh%%house quite acceptable. Other posts have indicated EP has very little support from others. Her choice of words are really the least of her worries in the bigger picture of things.

I agree, also *if* somehow she hasn't done this alleged crime, I'd think she really would be feeling *that* and some.

It was a clumsy choice of words and off the cuff I imagine.

What concerns me the most about her communication style is how she has centred herself in the victim stance in all of it and broadcast all her woes about how terrible it's made her life with no regard for the enormity of what just happened and the loss of life, the victims, and their loved ones. There are some people who could be like that if they're neurodivergent because they're 'mind blind' and not because they lack empathy but in her case, it's pretty extreme and if she were that affected by say something such as autism, it would be a well known thing already (maybe she is / it is?).

In the case where I was directly accused of poisoning several people and murdering three of them, I'd be yelling off the rooftops that I didn't do it, appealing for the public to help in any way to try and explain these deaths and not land it on me who is innocent and doesn't solve the problem, I'd be distraught that my well regarded loving friends are passed away and I'd be declaring that Ian can be the key to hope of solving what happened. I'd be going out of my mind that my kids are taken away. I'd be terrified my home has environmental toxins or something poisonous and inviting experts to come and test / search.

Instead, EP bemoans her situation, whines about various constraints on her life, and furthermore wishes 'Don' and not Ian well. Strange.

 

[Charlot123]

I agree, also *if* somehow she hasn't done this alleged crime, I'd think she really would be feeling *that* and some.

It was a clumsy choice of words and off the cuff I imagine.

What concerns me the most about her communication style is how she has centred herself in the victim stance in all of it and broadcast all her woes about how terrible it's made her life with no regard for the enormity of what just happened and the loss of life, the victims, and their loved ones. There are some people who could be like that if they're neurodivergent because they're 'mind blind' and not because they lack empathy but in her case, it's pretty extreme and if she were that affected by say something such as autism, it would be a well known thing already (maybe she is / it is?).

In the case where I was directly accused of poisoning several people and murdering three of them, I'd be yelling off the rooftops that I didn't do it, appealing for the public to help in any way to try and explain these deaths and not land it on me who is innocent and doesn't solve the problem, I'd be distraught that my well regarded loving friends are passed away and I'd be declaring that Ian can be the key to hope of solving what happened. I'd be going out of my mind that my kids are taken away. I'd be terrified my home has environmental toxins or something poisonous and inviting experts to come and test / search.

Instead, EP bemoans her situation, whines about various constraints on her life, and furthermore wishes 'Don' and not Ian well. Strange.

Neurodivergence is often associated with alexithymia, when people may not find the words for emotion. I often wonder if this typical (wrong) assumption that neurodivergent people "lack empathy" (they do not!) has to do with their inability to find the words to express empathy.

"I feel so sorry for my relatives", or even "I feel scared that I am going to be accused and guilty because it happened in my house, and overwhelmed by unwanted attention, but I am honest and innocent", or any words naming emotions would have been far better than "I feel sh##house", in terms of conveying the message.

I don't think her personal traits have played into deaths, though, because, after all, morality has nothing to do with neurodivergence. People either have it, or not.

But I think the aspects of neurodivergence should be discussed, as openly as anything else, because the shaming culture is not helpful. I personally see how toxic shaming was in the case of Lauren Dickason, the mother with postpartum depression. And - we all know - shaming of rape victims, or victims of anorexia, how bad it was. Personally, I think if we want our children to overcome some traits, we have to name them, and discuss available options to deal with them.

JMO. I don't know EP's problems, and of everything she said, only "I was afraid to lose my kids" evoked sympathy.

 

[Ellery84]

she has centred herself in the victim stance in all of it and broadcast all her woes about how terrible it's made her life with no regard for the enormity of what just happened and the loss of life, the victims, and their loved ones.
You are true to your moniker and very observant indeed, @Observe_dont_Absorb !

<modsnip: mental health diagnosis>

Jmo
I want to state that Erin P may be completely innocent. She hasn’t even been charged with a crime.

 

[Kemug]

EP seems to exhibit a personality at odds with her gentle pretty looks, IMO - if this was always the case, it could explain a few things. IMO.

 

[Ellery84]

Breaking:

The good news - detailed forensic tests have come back and confirmed the cause of the three deaths is actually mushroom poisoning.

The bad news - how the mushrooms ended up on the lunch table remains a matter of conjecture.


Forensic tests confirm mushrooms behind trio’s poisoning deaths

“Detailed forensic tests have determined that the three people who tragically passed away after eating a beef wellington pie were indeed victims of mushroom poisoning. “
DMA

Huge mushroom death breakthrough in Australia

Edit/ Predicting it’s going to be a bit of a sh^^house week for person of interest, Erin.

 

[jjleroche]

I agree, also *if* somehow she hasn't done this alleged crime, I'd think she really would be feeling *that* and some.

It was a clumsy choice of words and off the cuff I imagine.

What concerns me the most about her communication style is how she has centred herself in the victim stance in all of it and broadcast all her woes about how terrible it's made her life with no regard for the enormity of what just happened and the loss of life, the victims, and their loved ones. There are some people who could be like that if they're neurodivergent because they're 'mind blind' and not because they lack empathy but in her case, it's pretty extreme and if she were that affected by say something such as autism, it would be a well known thing already (maybe she is / it is?).

In the case where I was directly accused of poisoning several people and murdering three of them, I'd be yelling off the rooftops that I didn't do it, appealing for the public to help in any way to try and explain these deaths and not land it on me who is innocent and doesn't solve the problem, I'd be distraught that my well regarded loving friends are passed away and I'd be declaring that Ian can be the key to hope of solving what happened. I'd be going out of my mind that my kids are taken away. I'd be terrified my home has environmental toxins or something poisonous and inviting experts to come and test / search.

Instead, EP bemoans her situation, whines about various constraints on her life, and furthermore wishes 'Don' and not Ian well. Strange.

IMO had she not been waylaid by reporters (on her own property) before she could even get to her car, reporting of those comments would not even have occurred, and she would likely felt much less "s...house".

 

[Ellery84]

IMO had she not been waylaid by reporters (on her own property) before she could even get to her car, reporting of those comments would not even have occurred, and she would likely felt much less "s...house".

I guess reporters have a job to do, and often they will walk up to a door and ask a person of interest a question.

I don’t know, but I suppose they’re trying to ascertain the truth about what’s happened at her house that’s resulted in the death of three beloved community members.

IMO

Edit - I do wonder how Erin is feeling today, and how Pastor Ian is feeling, and how Simon is feeling and how the whole community of Leongatha and surrounds are feeling….

 

[Charlot123]

she has centred herself in the victim stance in all of it and broadcast all her woes about how terrible it's made her life with no regard for the enormity of what just happened and the loss of life, the victims, and their loved ones.
You are true to your moniker and very observant indeed, @Observe_dont_Absorb !

Let’s say for a moment that EP is not on the autism spectrum, but instead let’s imagine she has a personality disorder like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder…

Some of the traits of APD:

• lack concern, regret or remorse about other people's distress.
• behave irresponsibly and show disregard for normal social behaviour.
• have difficulty sustaining long-term relationships.
• be unable to control their anger

It’s just a suggestion, but some people even have traits of these disorders without having the full-blown disorder…

Jmo
I want to state that Erin P may be completely innocent. She hasn’t even been charged with a crime.

<modsnip: quoted post was snipped>

Yes, we don't know if she is involved. I decided to not get scared off and am eating marinated mushrooms. ))

 

[Karin1974]

Proving Intent?

snipped for focus. @JBowie
Gotta agree. Proving intent is ususally, or at least often, hard.

Few perps do prosecution the favor of announcing to friends: I'm planning to kill [name(s)] next week by [shooting, stabbing, poisoning, what-ev].

But perps often unknowing leave digital trails which may be enormously helpful in showing their thinking before their dastardly deeds. For ex, online computer or tablet searches about ways of causing deaths. Or
Or more subtle clues in phone usage records?

IMO - Her intent is obvious since herself & her children did not fall ill after eating the same meal - in fact, to me, it could not be any more obvious! Not sure how she thought she’d get away with it? Also, innocent people don’t take cooking preparation utensils to the dump unless they’re broken - that screams of guilt! MOO

 

[Karin1974]

In this hypothesis, all that was needed at the luncheon of the good BW would be one slice; the one that EP would eat. Apparently, she sliced the DC BW and allowed each guest to select a plate. They were allowed to choose their poison. She said she took the plate that was left. EP could have switched this plate easily, if need be, before joining her guests by sitting at the table. She had planned and prepared for this moment. There would be no mistakes; except, she scraped mushrooms from the BW for the children.

IMO - I do not believe her version of this at all, talk about trying to distance herself & basically blame the victims for ‘choosing’ the poisoned portions - I think EP is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 

[LordCyrus]

forensic tests have come back

The meaningful forensic test will be that for death-cap residue on the dehydrator.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Age article (same as the Brisbane Times article that was posted already) says that if this case was the road from Melbourne to Sydney (878km long) we would be at Fawkner about now.
Fawkner is a northern suburb of Melbourne, about 866km from Sydney.

Because there is so much that the police have to do to rule out any other scenario, if they want to charge someone.

Forensic tests confirm mushrooms behind trio’s poisoning deaths

Leongatha lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson’s recollections will be vital for detectives, as they continue the long-haul investigation after tests confirm the mushrooms did it.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Lady Bug]

Today's reporting of the forensic test results will put everyone on edge, Simon, Ian, their families the local communities, and also Erin. Let's hope the test results on the dehydrator and the leftovers follow soon. The suspense and resulting anxiety must be unbearable particularly during this time of grief.

 

[Karin1974]

Did she really fall ill or was she just concerned for her health following the suspected mushroom poisoning of her relatives?

Moo

IMO - or just pretended to be ill knowing that her guests were most certainly going to be ill - I know there are others on here saying she’s already been tried in the media but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck - it’s usually a duck! MOO

 

[kittythehare]

IMO - or just pretended to be ill knowing that her guests were most certainly going to be ill - I know there are others on here saying she’s already been tried in the media but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck - it’s usually a duck! MOO

It's not always a duck though.

Forensic tests confirm mushrooms behind trio’s poisoning deaths

Leongatha lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson’s recollections will be vital for detectives, as they continue the long-haul investigation after tests confirm the mushrooms did it.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[Salah11]

Let’s hope a arrest isn’t to far behind this news.

Moo

 

[LadyL]

IMO - or just pretended to be ill knowing that her guests were most certainly going to be ill - I know there are others on here saying she’s already been tried in the media but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck - it’s usually a duck! MOO

haha I used the same analogy earlier in the case