Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #20

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  1. SoSueMe

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  5. imamaze

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    Please continue here...
     
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    QUOTE CASECLOSED - I'm still of the opinion this was not premeditated. If the killer wanted to disguise this murder as a suicide, by making it seem that she jumped off the bridge, it is pretty lame attempt IMO. That bridge is not high enough to guarantee death. There is a pretty good chance someone would survive (injured, but survive) that hight. Also, her car was not found near the bridge. By mentioning "depression" in the first few interviews, I believe the family was hinting at suicide, but the killer(s) post-death cover-up plan does not support this. Big holes! I'm inclined to think that the cover-up plan was more to do with: She went for a walk, was abducted by a random man, killed somewhere and left under the bridge.

    If this case ends up being a premeditated murder, I will be very surprised!

    Also, I am convinced that if someone has killed somebody, they will NOT involve a whole lot of people to cover it up. I can understand the post-participation of perhaps one more individual, but not more. It is just too risky, whether it would be family members or mistresses, to involve more people.
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    Caseclosed - Great post. You have put into words everything I've been thinking. Thanks
     
  7. coffeechick

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    Can someone tell me the difference between a homicide - and no visual mean of foul play. To me this sounds so contradictory. Generally speaking when we read or hear of this - a homicide is something that someone brought about the killing of. No visual means of foul play generally means suicide. Not saying ABC suicided but the above 2 do not make sense to me regarding her death.
     
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    Grannie,

    Can you tell me how you do the strikethrough on a word thanks - could have used that this morning on a previous post

    Cheers
     
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    Hi CChc,

    Wouldn't it mean no obvious signs of how the victim died, yet the police know the person was murdered as it was neither accidental nor suicide?
     
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    itsthevibe...it was squizzy...

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    new on here and have heard a lot from friends in the area. some interesting points 1. a witness was told ABC was strangled. 2. same witness told there was batwater in lungs.3 same witness saw something strange at roundabout, it was BC senior sitting in bus shelter late that night. 4. has been said all hard drives were blank ,interesting. BUT BC senior computer supposidly googled the scout camp late that night. not known facts just info told to me by friends

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Australia Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #15
     
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    IMO it means no visible wounds, like several gun shot wounds, stabbing wounds, something tied around the neck, big holes in the head from being hit with a metal bar, etc.
     
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    The CM's latest story smacks of desperation. Even if the pastor hadn't written this SIX WEEKS ago, it is still of the "Someone in the Baden-Clay family said something - wrap a story around it!" mould. Do newspapers really think readers are so stupid? I guess so. The irony is that it's the CM that looks stupid for not seeing that the pastor was really having a go at the media for trading in the rumours and gossip, not at the rumour mill itself. MOO.
     
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    Thanks. I still hold my original theory that she was killed unintentionally due to a DV episode that went too far and then panic stricken killer may have sought help from one more person to dispose of the body, but it was not premeditated, nor planned for next months, etc. KISS principle. IMO.
     
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    "No visual means of foul play" can mean 'natural causes' also.
     
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    I don't understand why Supt Ainsworth stated there were no signs of foul play but still considered it murder at the same time?...
     
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    Because of whatever observations they made at the home and their other enquiries before the body was found, etc. There were no visible signs of foul play when they found the body, but their investigation up to that point in time lead them to believe she had been murdered somehow. They didn't know how, but they did know she was murdered.
     
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    Could it mean even though there were No Signs.....the police still KNOW there has been foul play ?
     
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    Homicide can be deemed as justified or excusable (self defence etc), murder is essentially criminal homicide.
     
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    Information could have been given before the autopsy to detectives during any of the earlier interviews, for the detectives to decide that they would make it an unlawful homicide investigation.

    Someone could have rolled over already....who knows? Its all part of "criminal intelligence"

    http://m.smh.com.au/queensland/a-family-waits-for-answers-20120430-1xut4.html
     
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