Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

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  1. 88mph

    88mph Member

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    This is interesting. Really interesting.

    Never have we closely examined the text in this image or the 4x red dots on the map in the images. I'm assuming each dot represents an attack but I can't clearly make out the map.... Considering the Karrakatta link wasn't made until after this doco, what is the fourth dot (or fourth attack)?

    Can anyone get a high resolution copy of this image?

    This is as close as a new lead we have had for a while.
     


  2. Bartholemeus

    Bartholemeus Former Member

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    The 4 dots are;

    1. SS abduction spot
    2. JR last seen spot
    3. Church Lane bash head against wall spot
    4. Claremont Subway drag out of car and try to rape

    They would unlikely have a description for SS and JR. But would have to have one for the other two. Does the identikit suggest they think Claremont Subway and Church Lane are same guy and he looks like that?

    If they have an identikit for the sex attacks then why haven't they released it? It's not as if they don't have anything to lose.
     
  3. crabstick

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    Debi Marshall asked Lances mother in the interview whether Lance hired a car. Maybe a tip off from police.

    The fibres that police have are that of a VS Commodore. Its how they determined the car was not that old. Its potential and the hire cars are only kept for a couple of years old, and consider the VS model was a year old. It would probably be a VS if they did hire a Commodore. <modsnip> It could have been Peugot

    Thats the very reason police more than likely theorised a hire car. Because hire car companies predominantly had VS models due to their leasing arrangements.

    The cops have DNA from the rape etc. They have cleared other POIs on DNA. The police have DNA on LW which clears Lance.

    And wears a melancholy like a cloak. I just cant pick Lance for the killer. Mentally ill with depression. I presume full of drugs at the bank? Or was it MRD?

    Have you a reference though to whether LW started at MRD after CG? If not he was working at the bank with all those bank account details in a database.

    Yep, petrol station

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  4. Bartholemeus

    Bartholemeus Former Member

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    <modsnip>

    1. They allegedly lost the fibre samples. If true they would not have known it was a VS until at least 2008. <modsnip>

    2. The alleged reason Macro suggested LW hired a car was because he was unlicensed. The suggestion was he didn't have a car so he needed to hire. He had a car though. This never made sense. Perhaps they did know they were looking for a VS. But it's one of many options.
     
  5. Bartholemeus

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    I'm quite aware his parents ran a servo. But you have implied you know which one.

    So which one was it?
     
  6. crabstick

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    How would I know!!! 6 kilometres from Claremont in Mosman park

     
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    If you have a look. The 17 year old said her assault guy was around thirty or older. Its in the source I posted several times. But for you, I will post it again.

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  8. crabstick

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    Allegedly selling $10000 lots of amphetamine to Sarah McMahon. You have to have organised crime links. A mechanic who services bobcats and trucks.
    Abattoir mates used to dealing with blood all day and night. To kill people, that's pretty bad really. Its a lot of nerve to live with. They have DNA so it is not him. Hes been in prison.

     
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    Claremont Killings CCTV footage released
    [video=youtube;hbbg-FVij4c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbg-FVij4c[/video]

     
  10. crabstick

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    What made you think I was referring the Conti? And what does it matter? Sarah went missing from the block. How embarrassing to be a security team and have someone go missing in front of your eyes. Thats brazen to step in front the security team and walk away. I cant see him looking at the camera.

    Claremont Killings CCTV footage released
    [video=youtube;hbbg-FVij4c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbg-FVij4c[/video]
    Other youtube footage on Claremont
     
  11. 88mph

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    Thanks Bart, so reading between the lines MACRO believe that these are also linked? We hypothesise that they are, but MACRO have gone further here. Such different attacks, but all very violent nonetheless.

    I also find church lane attack interesting as it's not on the periphery like the other attacks. Very brazen.

    Have you been able to read the text on the articles in these images? Surely they offer something.
     
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    Thanks for that. I bet they were kicking themselves afterwards. Interesting how on one hand, we hear that evidence was scarce at the scene but they seem to have collected enough items to cause problems with cataloging and storage.

     
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    JCs car which was dumped in the surf ,i wonder if it fully submerged if not the ashtray butts should have traces of DNA
    i think whoever did this wanted to get rid of dna and mu st be one hell of a risk taker why not burn it ,most crims do
    this was a clever ploy by the killer and has trained army written all over it oh yeah thanks crabstick
     
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    The Fiat was fully submerged. It disappeared for a day or two and then washed up close to shore.
     
  18. crabstick

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    PW made the claim in the media the crime was political in a brief interview on television. "If" the crime is political then someone might disappear under terrorism law. Which begs the question, has the crime been suppressed because of corruption which could expose a flawed system? Never mind, thinking out aloud as we may never see this case resolved especially under the premise that someone will never receive a fair trial?

    I think PW was referring for the reason he was targeted. But there could be a flip side. Maybe the crime was political.

    If police acted under political motivation. Maybe there is repercussions based on other POIs if the case is solved?

    At the end of the day, police were taking DNA samples as of last year. So they must be picking away at the fabric.

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    "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."


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  19. crabstick

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    I feel this is the very reason Julie Cutlers car ended up in the ocean. An attempt to destroy DNA in and around the vehicle. But DNA forensics was relatively new. UWA was just starting a course in DNA forensics. The mmmm Safe Community Fund I think it was actually paid for a DNA unit that was never used according Debi Marshall.
    I would have thought your average crim wouldnt have known about DNA destruction at the time. I don't even think I knew about DNA at the time. But I didn't know much then. I was in a bubble.

    Which begs the question. Someone must have had considerable training to be ahead of the game with future technology developing. What type of criminal knows this? Particular police units would have. Im not implying a cop. Someone would have some science education?

    At that point, what level of education would have taught about DNA, how it would be destroyed and how to prevent its detection. That narrows down some POIs across the public

    Police only have full DNA through a forensic link to the Karrakatta assault and that was an earlier crime. Notably the 2 discovered bodies didnt appear to shed any light on DNA but had a forensic link.

    Some police investigators were not overly accepting of the new DNA technology. It was a game changer.

    Our criminal has a university education? Maybe in science?

    He left her for dead. It sounds like it was a violent sexual assault,not rape. Hard to tell with media artistic licence. But didn't he ponder his DNA would turn up? 1996 Spiers disappears.

    Did he let her go deliberately? There was a forensic link. He must have been confident they wouldn't match his DNA unless they found him? He's regional or overseas?

    Could it have been a brand new station wagon in 1995?

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    You are talking in tongues there. Setting the car on fire in Cottesloe around midnight might have attracted attention. Driving the car to a place that might attract attention too.

    Who knows, but rolling a car into the sea albeit dead set middle winter was brazen. That air of arrogance he wouldn't be caught?

    It was 1988. Debi Marshalls book explains the construction of he DNA laboratories in 1996 or later, so all crims didnt destroy in 1988. DNA wasn't commonly known about

     
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