Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

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  1. meticulously

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    Karl O'C in the press conference after arrest of the csk . Pic source Google

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  2. OneSmallStepAtATime

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    Granted it may seem a little far fetched and I don't know but in his line of work he may have come in contact with lots of different people. He may have made conversation with many girls, but triggered on girls that mentioned Claremont or specific night spots in the area.

    One never knows but he may have gone on a night out to Claremont in the past to try his luck and been knocked back and as a result and given the length of time between disappearances waited it out until the "right" girl came along before making a move.
     
  3. So I had to contact WAPOL to find out if I was breaking any laws before I posted this but I can confirm that Brad worked at UWA on and off as a telstra tech for a couple of years fixing faults, programming etc. He was only there for a week or two at a time while the regular guy was on leave and he was one of several that worked there intermittently.

    I actually typed up my thoughts on the CSK back on the BF forums and on here during the day at work with Brad sitting directly opposite me. I made him a cup of tea as I often did for the people in that office. He's quite a big bloke, and wore his hat inside (don't know why I remember that) People have been asking me since he was arrested if he ever gave off a creepy vibe or if there was anything "off" about him. I remember not liking him at first because he comes across as aloof but over time whenever he was back for another stint in that office he warmed up enough for us to say hi and greet each other by name around campus.

    I don't know if he worked there in the 90's when the girls went missing. I don't know if he studied there either. I do remember mentioning two attacks in Nedlands in the last 3-4 years. One on Caporn St I think, where someone tried to grab a girl off the street and i walked past while the detectives were knocking on doors asking if anyone had seen anything, and the poor girl from IGA on Broadway who was stabbed in the back while walking home. That one always frightened me, and is why I don't listen to my headphones while walking at night anymore.

    It will probably come out in the next week or so that he worked at UWA, so just remember: You heard it on Websleuths first :)
    I'm happy to answer any questions if I can.
     
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    Thanks for posting this. In which years did he work at UWA?


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  5. CSK?

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    I wonder when he first started working for Telstra.
     
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    Interesting if it is because agn was only active as an isp up until 98 before being bought out by comswest and then Westnet, so would be one of his first email addresses. It's hard to say though because Edwards is a pretty common surname even though the area matches.
     
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    Another person is currently serving time for the Victoria Clark murder. That person was also convicted of a murder in another state. I haven't seen anything suggesting that the conviction is in doubt. Perhaps the unfortunate woman was the victim of two separate attacks by two separate perpetrators.
    If anyone can clarify this I would be most grateful.


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  8. GoT

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    There's a Gay St in the Huntingdale area... Same suburb as his first victim.
     
  9. Ps: I don't know if he did it or not. If it was him, heres what I think happened.

    He's a sex case who may have started off as a peeping tom, following girls home or pinching panties off clotheslines. He may have progressed to sexual assaults, like watching girls through their window and climbing in to attack them in the night. He may have been interrupted and forced to flee during one of these attacks and decided that he needed a quiet place or a vehicle to do what he needs to do next time . He may have known Claremont would have lots of attractive, uni aged girls and spent time cooking up a plan to abduct one of them. As I understand it, serial killers often have rich and detailed fantasies lives and as the urges get stronger and the violent or fetish porn doesn't satiate anymore, the fantasies develop into actual plans which they sadly go out and act on. I think he may have had the ability through his work to tap into phone lines and listen in to calls made from specific phone boxes. If this is possible (and I don't know if it is) he might have been able to stake out and watch a specific phone booth, wait until a girl goes to call a cab then listen to the girl's name, where she was headed etc and pull up seconds later with his white service vehicle with a fake taxi logo on the side as has been suggested and simply call out "taxi for such and such going to Mosman Park?"

    Another scenario that I've been considering since Monday (which someone else beat me to posting) is he may have simply pulled up next to a phone box with his service lights on and a torch and his tools, pretending to tinker with the payphone. When a suitable girl approaches he may have said "look love, this phone is buggered and it's gonna be out of service until tomorrow: where are you headed? I can drop you at the nearest phone booth around the corner if you like" Or "I'm knocking off now, which way down the highway are you headed-I can probably give you a lift seeing as it's our phone that's not working" A faked call to his supervisor to report back about the job in Claremont he's just leaving, or to his wife to say he's just dropping someone off wherever and he'll be 20 mins late tonight might convince a drunk girl that she's in no danger. In either case, you now have a young girl in a car with a large, powerful bloke. What happens next is really anybody's guess unless he makes a full detailed confession but I'm tipping he'd fixed the passenger door somehow so you couldn't open it or get the window down, and may have used a taser or blunt weapon to subdue them before pushing them down into the leg area of the passenger seat and driving off into the night, or he may have pulled into a dark carpark or driveway to "do a u-turn" and instead used his size to overpower her physically without any weapons.

    The karakatta rape describes the poor victim as being left for dead, which suggests an increasing amount of physical violence. SS may have been another planned sexual assault that escalated into murder. Either he lost control and didn't mean to actually kill her, but having done so and found himself able to live with it, decided to do it again intentionally, OR he decided he wasn't going to leave anything to chance and evolved into a fully fledged serial killer.

    that's what's on my mind tonight at 1.40am Perth time anyway
     

  10. It was only in the last few years. That office was renovated when new refurbishments were done at the end of last year/start of this year so I think he would have been there from 2012-2015

    There are two or 3 people I know who've worked with him closely for >10 years who will know much about him than I do. As of early Jan I can ask much more detailed questions.

    We have to remember that he hasn't been convicted or been formally sentenced yet. It might not even be him. If we go all out and dig up every detail of his life and it turns out its not him I'm going to feel like a real ****
    Loyd Rainey got dragged through the mud, and poor Lance, PW, Ross etc were all guilty as sin before WAPOL arrested Brad.
     
  11. EzyStreet

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    I do understand your concerns and yes we need to respect due process. But realistically, his DNA has positively matched DNA found on one of the murder victims. Unless he's going to somehow convince a judge that there was DNA transferred from the real killer to him via both people eating at the same fast food outlet (aka the Bradley Murdoch defense) or something of that nature, I think we can be fairly confident that he is the CSK.

    The main reason I believe the soft approach theory over the blitz attack is not only do I feel it would've been quite brazen (even at that time of the morning), but I also don't feel that it fits with some of the other evidence. For example, the three men in the vehicle that pulled up at the lights, saw Sarah, then as they drove on through the green light noticed a car come up towards her without moving on through the intersection. If the blitz theory is correct, it seems to me that we have to assume that one of the following is true:
    1. The men were mistaken, and the car did in fact come through the intersection. (It seems, however, that their evidence is reliable, especially given that one of the men was looking back specifically out of concern for Sarah)
    2. The driver of the second car coming up to Sarah did in fact stop next to her and presumably interacted with her, but then drove on, and the blitz attack occurred sometime within 5 or so minutes of that.
    3. The driver of the light-coloured vehicle that Ciara Glennon was seen leaning into on Stirling Hwy interacted with her, but then drove on, and the blitz attack occurred sometime after that. (I am aware that there were unconfirmed sightings of Ciara further up Stirling Hwy)

    We know that the driver(s) of both the 'second car' in the Spiers disappearance and the light coloured vehicle seen next to Ciara has never come forward. We all know that sometimes people just 'don't want to get involved' for one reason or another, but I just find it unlikely that in the event that these people had an innocent interaction with people who later disappeared/were found dead, that both would not come forward. Yes, you could argue that maybe they didn't want to draw attention to themselves for fear of being made a suspect, but I would've thought that it would be much better to go straight to police and tell them what happened than risk police finding out from another source (witness number plate ID, etc.) and looking like you had something to hide. I feel like its unlikely that both people would not come forward with this highly important evidence. Unless of course, the person in both of those cars was CSK and the 'soft approach' was used. But then I did read that police believe that the blitz attack theory is more likely. Thoughts?
     
  12. mandy.maree

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    Well it wasnt showing up except on the missing persons page. Maybe it was 2am on christmas night and I was probably tired. Maybe people called it a coat,not jacket.
    I didnt check on here. I was looking for links outside of here


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    Thank you Mordekai for your posts. Very interesting

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    There is quite the considerable consensus on here and Bigfooty that the method of abduction was through charming the girls into his car or appearing fatherly or professional.

    I tend to think the opposite and the only option that would have seen the girls enter the car willingly is if it looked like a taxi and he had indeed put fake stickers on the car....I still feel this is unlikely as this method isn't foolproof and doesn't explain other aspects of the case.

    Surely his methods of abduction had to be by blitz attack for the following reasons:

    - The police think it was a blitz attack (despite them covering all avenues with the testing of all taxi drivers).
    - The Karrakatta rape has obviously been linked to the CSK and that was done by blitz...I think this is proof enough that this is how he operates. His attempted rape in Huntingdale also does not involve charming girls and shows he was a force sorta man.
    - The guy does not strike me as charming (the photos of him during year 12 make him look the opposite) and being a big boof looking kinda guy I see no reason for 3/3 girls being talked into getting into someones car particularity when the guy is big and burly....which leads me into the next point.
    - His strike rate of 3/3 is unheard of for someone talking girls into his car. This case has attracted pretty much every person in Perth who would have been the right age back in the late 90's who could possibly have been a victim of this guy.
    You cant tell me there wouldn't be some woman around now who has commented somewhere "oh yeah this one big dark headed guy in Claremont tried to charm me into his car and I said no" or "there this was this telstra guy that said he would give me a lift to the next phone box how lucky am I that I said no"...you cannot tell me this guy was so charming as to have a 100% strike rate.
    - I'm of the opinion that CG would not get into someones car what with her mothers advice and just how she appears to be. She was also last seen walking down a real quiet part of Claremont.
    - I think he had some favourite hiding spots around Claremont (or maybe parked his telstra van next to phone boxes), saw his target and did what he did to the Karrakatta victim and lo and behold he has them under his control in 10 seconds and was lucky enough that the streets were quite enough for no-one to see it.

    I think a blitz attack would have been quite easy for him and suits his personality.
     
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    Hi first time user here and have been interested and following this case for a number of years. There has been a number of great blogs and comments out there and it's fantastic the police now have a firm suspect. My condolences go out to the families and friends directly affected by the CSK. I have been looking through TE's (BE's brother) FB profile, (available for anyone to view) and reading TE posts you can see where BE has commented or liked. I found it interesting on what BE did and didn't comment on. Eg 5th Oct post by TE "towing video" surprised face by BE, next post 11th Oct "International Girl Day" post nothing, next post 13th Oct kettle joke, laughing face. For someone with little found web footprint he did interact on his brothers fb profile a consistently . Lots of faces or likes a few comments, other likes 16th Sep "wound closure technologies" thumbs up, he loved the blog 26th Oct " One day you will look back & realise that you worried too much about things that don't really matter" and also portrays a caring, soft side with likes. No comment to blog 25 Aug "difference between men & women". I do understand these could be harmless or viewed through post event eyes over analysed but what the CSK did would never be far away in his own thoughts and it would always be there to hide. Only the post-mortem reports will reveal what happened to the murdered victims and if as bad as some theorise they will be etched in his brain. He lives a daily deception. I would like to get other thoughts on the FB posts comments
     
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    Definitely agree with blitz attack, as there have been no reports of a man offering lifts.
     
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    I'm not sure he did have a 100% success rate. A couple of women around that period escaped from taxi drivers who were trying to attack them (although,these of course could be different people responsible for those attacks)
    I'm sure some people just passed it off as a nice friendly man offering them a lift so they'd be "safe" if he was offering lifts. Plus they were probably a bit intoxicated and may have been a bit vague on the details of his face and car the next day to report anything about the encounter.
    There are great theories for both blitz,fake taxi and him simply asking if they want a lift.
    He may have even worked around these girls or at universities at some point or just seen them out on other occasions and they may have felt safe to accept a lift from him due to his familiarity.

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    I couldn't get a lot from his facebook presence as there wasn't a whole heap of it I could see.
    Definitely has a dark sense of humor but not anything to out of the ordinary. Can imagine he'd maybe say things to make people feel a bit awkward on occasion. I see him as fairly confident in himself and maybe feels superior to most. He was close to his stepdaughter it seems and I feel so bad for her.
    What he didnt like on his brothers page says more than what he did like

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    found them especially for you m.m.
    Missing Clothing of victims
    [​IMG] ciara clothes replica[​IMG] jane clothes replicas[​IMG]sarah clothes replicas source : media thread/ timeline
    From documentary "he who waits" Australian story.

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    i read a news report that said they discovered the dna on the kimono only 3 months ago
     
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