Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

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  1. Didi1201

    Didi1201 Well-Known Member

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    Police should be able to track mobile phone even when it is switched off and phone can be turned into listening device by cops but that is kinda known.
    I don't know what else Optus engeneer has up his sleeve that is so secretive, criminals already treat phones as planted bugs.
     
  2. sosocurious

    sosocurious Well-Known Member

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    The mobile phones belonging to Borce Ristevski and his wife Karen were detected on the day she went missing, but a telecommunications expert has been unable to pinpoint exactly where the phones were that day or why they were deactivated.


    The court heard last week the Ristevskis’ phones pinged telecommunications towers that morning, before the phones were deactivated.

    But on Monday the complexities and uncertainties of tracking mobile phones were outlined by electronics engineer Oleg Prypoten, a senior technical expert with Optus.


    He said Optus could track phones if they were on, even if they were sitting idle and not being used to make or receive calls or text messages or access the internet.

    Expert tells court Ristevski phones were off on day Karen went missing

    What's the secret?
     
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  3. Amalgam

    Amalgam Well-Known Member

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    Police cannot track a phone that is switched off, unless the specific handset has been previously hacked & special software installed.
     
  4. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Example Oleg Prypoten is mentioned here. He given evidence before.
    It appears he can pinpoint locations.

    (An owner burns down his hotel)

    “The unchallenged evidence of (Optus engineer) Oleg Prypoten is that you can’t make a call from Remco’s address in Kangaroo Flat that bounces off the E2 cell of the Big Hill tower,” Mr Doyle said.

    “Remco’s phone is out at the Big Hill E2 cell which, on the map, is right in the coverage for the Junction Hotel.

    “He’s out there at the hotel.”

    ‘Why would I set it on fire?’
     
  5. sleepinoz

    sleepinoz Well-Known Member

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    IMO because they lost the suppression order they haven't brought that part into evidence. They probably have enough to get to trial and if required they will use it then.
     
  6. sosocurious

    sosocurious Well-Known Member

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    Oleg Prypoten was today grilled by the defence in the Melbourne Magistrate’s Court, asked complex questions focusing on phone records with data extracted from both Mr Ristevski and wife Karen’s mobile phones.

    Detectives allege Mr Ristevski switched his phone off as he drove past the Calder Racetrack in June 2016, but Mrs Ristevski’s phone kept connecting with phone towers as far as Gisborne.

    Details of the phones’ connectivity was scrutinised today, with questions about how much detail Optus phone records could go into.

    The defence asked, “Can a phone receive a signal for a cell that is 30 or 50km away?”

    Mr Prypoten responded: “Yes”, adding for Optus customers located in the city, mobiles can connect with cells 20km away, and up to 35km away in regional areas.

    Police attempted to surpress all evidence heard in court today from the Optus expert, arguing Mr Prypoten’s evidence contained “sensitive police methodology” used in current and future criminal investigations.

    Supression bid fails in Karen Ristevski case
     
  7. Morrisa

    Morrisa Well-Known Member

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    Doubt over Ristevski mobile ‘pings’

    But he questioned Mr Prypoten about a number of signal connections from Mr Ristevski’s phone that appeared to cast doubt on the accuracy of the data, including pings to a base station near Geelong.

    “Did police raise with you that there was a connection … that didn’t fit in with their theory about what happened?” Mr Hallowes asked.

    “Yes,” the Optus technician replied.
     
  8. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    By Adam Cooper
    23 July 2018 — 3:14pm
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    Media organisations opposed the application and on Monday magistrate Suzanne Cameron ruled not to impose a suppression order. That means media can report Mr Prypoten’s evidence.
    Ms Cameron said Mr Prypoten’s evidence should be held to the same scrutiny as that of other experts, and that there was nothing unique in his evidence or that wasn’t known outside court. There should be a presumption in favour of open justice, she ruled.
    ......
     
  9. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Ahhh the carrot.
    We’re going to trial 100%
    IMO
     
  10. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Oh, by the way, we had a bit of a tiff.

    Sounds familiar?

    That’s what Gerard Baden-clay said to the cops.
    Irrelevant really, nothing big, just a tiff.
    Meanwhile Allison was dead under a bridge.
    I guess other than the scratches on Baden-Clay’s face there is no difference in these cases.
    Both women were dumped, uncovered to the elements.
    Same outcome with both. In fact both these narcissisists will go and went kicking and screaming all the way to the clink because there’s nothing wrong with abusing their wives.
    One step from murder.
    IMO.
     
  12. sosocurious

    sosocurious Well-Known Member

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    Mr Hallowes acknowledged that mobile phone towers at Essendon, Keilor East and Calder Park received signals from the phones during the morning and early afternoon of June 29, 2016.

    But he questioned Mr Prypoten about a number of signal connections from Mr Ristevski’s phone that appeared to cast doubt on the accuracy of the data, including pings to a base station near Geelong.

    Doubt over Ristevski mobile ‘pings’

    The Geelong connection is a bit away. Is that pinging in the am or pm?
    Is Geelong in the ping radius of anyone we are aware of. Is Hoopers Crossing on the way to Geelong?
     
  13. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    yep, it is.
    I drive through Werribee, Hoppers Crossing going to Geelong.
    But would he have time to go there???!!!
     
  14. Similar seems to be also the assumption, relatives were driving around at certain times and helping in one way or the other ..... And strangely, we never heard again of them and probably will not in this case.
     
  15. sosocurious

    sosocurious Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he headed it that direction on his afternoon uber drive.
     
  16. Melbourne’s top 10 speed camera locations
    8) Princes Freeway, Lara, Avalon Road Bridge, Geelong/Melbourne bound lanes.

    7) Princes Freeway, Point Cook, Forsyth Road Bridge, Geelong/Melbourne bound lanes.


    If someone had been in a hurry .... No idea, but would it be helpful to know? (I got this today.)
     
  17. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't it be easier just to make a phone call and use 'cryptic words' that would be understood by 'whoever' !!!
     
  18. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't it be, the' icing on the cake', if a speeding fine was issued.:D
     
  19. Didi1201

    Didi1201 Well-Known Member

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    VR lives in Hopeprs Crossing
     
  20. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Wonderful.
    But Defence is making out that the 'phone pings' are inaccurate!!!!: to discredit them.
    Hope more is found, on this topic, to support 'phone pings'.
    Where was VR's phone at that time: pinging off same tower.o_O
     
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