Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

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  1. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    BBM .... except, Borce was sole director as of March 2016.

    And Karen was deceased as of 29th June 2016.

    All just in time for Envirovision to absorb Warrant Brands total income at the start of a new financial year. With no-one left alive to blow the whistle on the shonky money-dealings.


    Paperwork declaring Mr Ristevski had taken over from his wife as the sole director of Warrant Brands, which is linked to her Bella Bleu fashion label, was filed with the Australian Securities & Investments Commission in March.
    The Australian, 12:00AM August 20, 2016
     
  2. sleepinoz

    sleepinoz Well-Known Member

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    If you think any posts are against WS TOS you should report them.

    Instead of taking your frustration out on other members telling others what they should think or what they should do, which I may add is also against WS TOS.
     
  3. Armchair snoop

    Armchair snoop Well-Known Member

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    Could this have been a tactic by the prosecution to present this 'bombshell' on the last day of the hearing so it remains embedded in our minds and more importantly, the Magistrates mind, if so, brilliant. It hit me between eyes.
     
  4. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Is this your opinion? Or is there a link to provide substantiation to what you are saying?
    I can see the defence trying to wiggle in any way that they can (as Trooper has indicated), but I do not believe that I have personally seen a case before where the defence try to get the charge reduced without admitting some client culpability.
     
  5. kiwilaura

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    I agree, I think the submission will be declined. But they would be foolish not to try.
     
  6. tmar

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    This afternoon, we see a new slant. Great.
     
  7. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Pssst do ya anna buy a bridge?
     

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  8. sleepinoz

    sleepinoz Well-Known Member

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    How Much? :D
     
  9. Trooper

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    Could Borce have seriously believed that the Envirovision stuff would remain hidden? And by extension, could Sarah have believed that also? I can give her a free kick in so far as perhaps Borce didn't tell her she was a stakeholder, but he would have had to disclose that to her once Karen didn't return and certainly, absolutely once Karens' body was found.


    I am so curious as to why both thought it was (a) a good idea to do it and (b) a good idea to fail to mention it to police.
     
  10. CalliopeGG

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    Great overview. Thanks so much.
     
  11. sosocurious

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    Mr Curtain told the court that for some reason, the revenue from Warrant Brands started to transfer to Envirovision in 2016.

    "As of June 30 [2016], Warrant Brands no longer has any income because that's given to Envirovision. It's not able to meet any of its loans and any liabilities," he said.

    "It basically took on the sales revenue from the shop at Water Gardens."

    When he was asked why this would have happened, Mr Curtain said he had no idea.

    "The debts of Warrant Brands, if it was an attempt to avoid that debt, I don't know."

    "It doesn't have any impact, they still have those liabilities."

    The court also heard the couple refinanced their home twice in May 2013 and in 2014.

    Assets moved to company in Borce Ristevski's name before wife disappeared, court told
     
  12. kiwilaura

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    I’m not going to trawl for an Australia legislation link to prove that part of the job of a defence lawyer is to ensure correct legal procedure is followed. That is generally accepted and also known to be the basis of post-conviction appeal.

    If you’re asking for a proof that the reason that Borce’s lawyers are asking for the downgrade is due to not meeting the evidence threshold for a murder charge, it’s in pretty much every article on the fact, but here’s one:

    Borce Ristevski's lawyers argue he should be tried for manslaughter | Daily Mail Online
     
  13. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    I am interested in what capacity Sarah was a stakeholder. Was "Sarah's" (ie: Karen's) inheritance wrapped up in the business dealings?


    STAKEHOLDER
    A person, group or organization that has interest or concern in an organization.
    Stakeholders can affect or be affected by the organization's actions, objectives and policies. Some examples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources.
    What comes after those ellipses?

    What is a Stakeholder? A stakeholder is anybody who can affect or is affected by an organisation, strategy or project. They can be internal or external and they can be at senior or junior levels.
    Stakeholder | Definition - What is a stakeholder?
     
  14. Sarah's 21th birthday would have been in 2016. Had that date been the official start for Eurovision?
     
  15. SouthAussie

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    No, I am not asking for MSM reports of Borce's lawyer's intentions. Those I have read. I am asking for an example of a trial (not an appeal) where the defence have requested a downgrade of the charges without admitting some client culpability. I am not seeing this action as a generally accepted procedure.

    To me, a person is charged, the defence defend against that charge. Right or wrong charge. It is the prosecution's job to decide the charge. If the charge is incorrect, it should make the defence job easier. imo

    All I have seen in the past is a person(s) plead guilty to a lesser charge. I have not seen a charge debated in court, without client culpability being admitted.
     
  16. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Even if not exact date, a 'birthday present'o_O
     
  17. sosocurious

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    What the Police must prove according to VIC Law for Murder
    (a) The accused caused the death of another person by an intended act or omission.

    (b) There was malice aforethought that preceded or co-existed with this act or omission.

    (c) Malice aforethought is satisfied in a number of ways.

    Firstly, it may be satisfied by an intention to cause the death of, or grievous bodily harm to, any person whether such person is killed or not.

    Secondly, it may be satisfied by knowledge that the act which caused death would probably cause the death of, or grievous bodily harm to, some person, whether such person is actually killed or not.

    Thirdly, it may be satisfied by an intent to commit any crime the necessary elements of which include violence and which may on first conviction be punished by life imprisonment or imprisonment for a term of 120 months or more, where the death is intentionally caused by an act of violence done in the course or furtherance of such a crime.

    Murder - Australian Criminal Lawyers Melbourne
     
  18. Trooper

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    I don't know any Uber drivers, at least, well enough to ask them how much they earn a day, on average.. anyone have any insight into this?

    I ask, because I am curious how Borce managed to avoid working for wages, or even running a profitable business himself.. His daily routine seems a bit aimless, the Uber driving being a recent activity.

    The debt in the family is rising exponentially, compounded by the debt in BellaBlue running concurrently. I doubt if Uber driving bought in enough to feed the 3 of them, much less pay the bills associated with the running of a large house, electricity, phones, gas, rates, water, repairs, trips overseas, and so on.

    And paying out for Sarah, schooling, transport, meals out, clothing , play money etc.

    Yet Borce just ambled about while this hideous debt was increasing daily.. how did he do that?
     
  19. Trooper

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    maybe she had to be 21 to be a stakeholder with input into the company... under 21 any papers she signed on behalf of Envirovision would be invalid...….
     
  20. Armchair snoop

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    There are a few you tube videos about it Trooper, they don't make a lot for the number of hours put in. Most just do it to supplement their income.
     
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