Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

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  1. kiwilaura

    kiwilaura Well-Known Member

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    I don’t have an example of it happening before, though I am sure the magistrate will shut it down immediately if it is not legally allowed.

    Note of course that this is a committal hearing, not a trial as worded in your post.
     
  2. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Let's see what this now creates: was this a lousy pressie??????:D
     
  3. Trooper

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    It is difficult for me to believe that Karen knew , in regard to Envirovision. She would have completely done her block, as it handicapped her tremendously, and it would make no sense that she, Karen, would continue to run the business.. she might as well have stayed home in bed and let the chips fall where they may.,

    It is hard to conceive that she would continue to get up, get to the shop , work in it all day, come home if she knew the whole thing was being siphoned off to Envirovision. Of which , she was neither a director, nor stakeholder, nor partner. She was nothing, in the context of Envirovision.
     
  4. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Someone here, recently gave us info on rules for Uber drivers.
    He/she stated they were an Uber driver.
    Perhaps they'll respond.
     
  5. Armchair snoop

    Armchair snoop Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about the debt as well. Borce is 54 years old, the debt they hold is what, about 1.4 mil. If he intends to retire at 65 then he only has 11 years to pay off a 1.4 mil debt. Good luck with that.
     
  6. Trooper

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    the crazy thing is, Karen's death does not make the debt evaporate. It remains, increasing day by day. When Borce gets parole, around 2045, :p the debt will still be there..
     
  7. Armchair snoop

    Armchair snoop Well-Known Member

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    Yes and why was she locked out? Was it because she intended to go elsewhere? What were the reasons she was locked out? Crickey, she was his wife and partner.
     
  8. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Plus for the last 6 months, no Uber driving to pay debts.
     
  9. Armchair snoop

    Armchair snoop Well-Known Member

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    Don't they get paid about $10.00 a day to make number plates. :)
     
  10. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    And GROWN ++++
     
  11. IF it had been a honest and true explanation for Karen, leaving the home, I would fully understand the situation: I'm the director of Bella Bleu and just got told by my husband (or just have read in a "mysterious" letter), that I have from the day after tomorrow to deposit the daily revenue onto another account, to which I have no access. Very nice surprise. I would feel ousted by husband AND daughter, as also controlled by them. No wonder, there was yelling and screaming! And going ballistic would have been a normal reaction to such a sneaky attack (by "loved ones", one of them I had a "special bond" to).
    I would have left the home, the husband and the daughter and the dog - if I had been able to ....
     
  12. Trooper

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    It is tempting to think she was locked out because she had already presented her self as unwilling, or recalcitrant to adhere to Borce's theories re debt diminishment.

    That Borce had already decided that Karen would not co-operate in his plan , which perhaps was a habit of Karen's, to poo-poo Borce's idea of fiscal management and who can say she was wrong? He hasn't demonstrated any particular wisdom in this area so far in his 5o plus years..
     
  13. CalliopeGG

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    Very helpful. Much appreciated.
     
  14. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    This would be a very appropriate reply/ response, by Karen.
    She should have taken Benji and left quickly, once she knew, instead of 'asking WHY'.
    All this, just thoughts.
     
  15. Trooper

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    It seems she didn't have enough time to ring anyone, Aunty Pat, or someone to complain about it.. perhaps it happened very quickly..
     
  16. And little only child Sarah is innocently speaking of the passion, her mother had for Bella Bleu and "no Bella Bleu without Karen" and so on. :mad:
     
  17. BUT: He had been a very nice and caring husband, who came into shop to help with things, Karen had to do. :rolleyes:
     
  18. sosocurious

    sosocurious Well-Known Member

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    Because I am a little slow and I am still not grasping why a silk that is defending a person for murdering their wife. A person who has said he had nothing to do with it...nothing. Has decided manslaughter should be the charge.

    Different state.
    Similar situation.
    The trial sum up

    Justice Byrne said it was the prosecution’s case that Baden-Clay was guilty of murder on the basis he killed his wife with intent.

    He said the defence’s case was the accused did not kill his wife and it was a reasonable possibility she died of unnatural causes consistent with evidence: drowned, fell, died from alcohol or antidepressant toxicity or suffered “serotonin syndrome” which led to her drowning or falling.

    He said if the jury found Baden-Clay not guilty of murder, they should consider whether he was guilty or not of manslaughter.

    Category: | Herald Sun
    Gerard Baden-Clay murder trial: Judge tells jury manslaughter an option, prosecutor says accused wanted to wipe slate clean
     
  19. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    Those little pauses that give you time to think. Like "you know, um, au, and the latest one that I really dislike, "So"


     
  20. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    What a twist in the final day. I look forward to the submission by prosecution tomorrow. This might get renamed as the "End of financial year murder". Or mutiny perhaps.
    The forensic accountant may be scratching his head on why BR was doing this Envirovision... But BR might not have consulted an accountant on the debt and tax impacts... Hey his mind was about committing a fraud, so how could he trust an average accountant to know his plans?

    Leaving Karen out of Environvision was significant. As FromGermany had pointed out, she would not have access to the new company bank account. Unless she decided to defraud him too by keeping the store cash takings to herself... But looks like she was not that type of personality.
     
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