Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #2

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  1. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    Thanks so much for this Thunderwombat !
    After I finished looking for anything possibly Marion related, I looked up my Mother's french side and was surprised that my Aunt became French by marriage which is something I never knew.

    Of course I knew she had married a Frenchman, the brother of my grandmother.
    So could Marion have secretly married someone from Luxenbourg which might have made her Luxembourgian?

     
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  2. Itsapuzzle

    Itsapuzzle Well-Known Member

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    It looks like Marion wasn't travelling with Johnny on this occasion, can't find an incoming card for him, this was before marriage, 1966, wonder who she was travelling with, or maybe on her own for the 23 days, returned on 28 January 1966. Just curious, but it's looking like Marion had done quite a bit of travel, which is interesting.
     

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  3. KiwiNZ

    KiwiNZ Well-Known Member

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    I once came back from the UK in the late 80’s via Japan, Nadi, Auckland. No stay over just transit
     
  4. Itsapuzzle

    Itsapuzzle Well-Known Member

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    KiwiNZ, I can come up with a wacky theory that has crossed my mind, probably nuts, but what if Marion travelled OS on the passport that was still valid as Marion Barter, it expires OS, two photos have been signed by the dentist, one of Marion, one of someone looking similar, or different, not sure, but new passport arrives while overseas and person filling in for Marion returns with passport. Hey, a little out there, but would that be possible? Not sure. Maybe? Of course the dentist would have to be in on it all ... probably a nutty idea.
     
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    KiwiNZ Well-Known Member

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    No
    Not a nutty idea, this case is so mind bending anything is possible.. You have given me something to think about, thanks
     
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  6. Itsapuzzle

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    How interesting about your Aunt, Tootsie, what a great discovery you've made about your family's history. Yes, maybe Marion did secretly marry and become Luxembourgian, anything's possible really. Some of those Remakel names are hyphenated, wonder if you could travel/have passport on just one half of the name, like Remakel-Wilson or something - I've seen that a bit online at some of the sites. Might have a look tomorrow.
     
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  7. Sophie-Renee

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    I got the following information from:

    PO Boxes & Private Bags

    It states the following with regard to post office box applications that are NOT done online:

    Post Office applications
    Proof of identity that shows your name, date of birth, residential address and signature (this can be your driver's licence or 2 other documents, such as a utility bill and bank statement).

    This seems like a fair amount of identification. I am not sure how much more or less would have been required in 1997, but likely still needed a lot of it. Could police contact Auspost and enquire into applications as far back as 1997? If records were still held for this period, that could potentially mean they had more than enough information collected in order to identify who actually set it up in the first place.
     
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    Yes, I spoke to the retired Australia Post historian, who stated that in 1997 all paperwork for PO Boxes were done locally in branch, no ID was required (this very popular with married men apparently !) These documents were usually kept in a filing cabinet behind the desk & renewals posted in the boxes.

    Unfortunately the Lennox Head Post office burnt down in 1998, so in speaking to the sister of the deceased long term owner of the LH PO, no records remain. This was thought to be arson. Landmarks Of Lennox - The Post Office - Lennox Wave News Magazine
     
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    Sally has no proof of that last postcard. She's not sure why her Aunties would make it up but they can't assist her in showing it to her or telling her more about it.
     
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    Spontaneous random - Marion seems to have an unusual way of writing the figure 4 .... maybe worth looking at how that's written on the incoming passenger card and documents that could be fraudulent or in dispute. Just a thought ....
     
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    Just noting there is a Tunbridge in NSW and one in Tasmania.
     
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    My today theory is that Marion was the victim of a scam, even if the advert is linked to this case I don’t think a scammer would use their real name, they take a long time to work on people ( I watch a lot of Dr Phil lol) so a 2-year gap between the ad and the event would not be uncommon.


    I may change my mind tomorrow ….
     
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    If Marion was staying at a fixed address in the Tunbridge Wells area it would have been a perfect opportunity for her to let her family know where she was staying and say, "look, I'll be here for the next month, here's the address if you need to contact me, this is the phone number" .... but there was nothing, no indication whatsoever to anyone where she was staying, and yet she seems to just be hovering around the same vicinity the whole time, suggesting fixed lodgings holding all that luggage of hers. It's all so peculiar ......
     
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    Thanks Kelliepat, that's interesting, I just assumed Sally had the postcard with the 30 August date on it ... h'mm, so it may not exist at all ... maybe a misunderstanding somewhere along the line, who knows ....
     
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    I was just thinking the other day about her belongings and luggage.
    Where on earth did it end up.
    If she was staying at a hotel or wherever, wouldn't someone notice that a guest didn't come back.
    And just went and left their luggage behind.
    It's like she's just disappeared off the face of the earth.
    And then there's the rental car, did she return it and if not weren't questions asked.



     
  16. KiwiNZ

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    Her in coming declaration to the UK should have her address she intended on staying at, pretty sure that is one of the questions.

    Its all very odd, my parents travel a lot and always tell me where they are staying, its also a natural question to ask when enquiring about someone's trip, especially family.
     
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    I think Sally has put a few things down to her Grandad not been well and recording incorrect information, like the Salvation army information in regards to the car money.
     
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    The podcast quoted Jack's notes to the Salvo's, rather than the aunties as the source of information about the last postcard.
     
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    You know, I can buy him recording somethings incorrectly, like the date on the postcard. Sally's last postcard was dated July 30, then there is all the activity in August- I get how he may have accidently written August in his notes instead of July. But the statements about Tell them to stop looking for me in Byron Bay I'm far far away and Tell Sally Im angry about the car are far more specific.
     
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