Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #2

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  1. KiwiNZ

    KiwiNZ Well-Known Member

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    In New Zealand you didn't even need ID lol, I once bleed someone's account dry because they had the same name as me and the teller just looked up my name and kindly wrote down my bank number so I had a copy and just presented that every week to withdraw money, only it wasn't my bank number !! and it wasn't until the person ran out of money months later that we realized the mistake lol
     


  2. Intriguedbyintrigue

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    This is another comment which i referred to in my earlier post. I think it's a shame this happened, Bill Edgar would have been an invaluable resource.
     

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  3. KiwiNZ

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    wow - generally when 2 parties don't agree the truth is somewhere in the middle but Bill raises a few concerns and if you want the public to help solve a case like this then you have to be prepared to be totally honest even if it does not paint you or your family in a great light.

    I know not all people react the same way but had that of been my mother whom said she did not want contact with me I would have immediately tracked down the container company, even if I had to drive to everyone in the area, and there isn't that many, and found out the address it was forwarded to. I believe anyone would have had the sense to do that, if you had a good relationship and didn't expect your mother to walk out on you.
     
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    I think it's a breach of the websleuths rules to put up Facebook posts such as that .... I'm no expert, but I reckon it is.
     
  5. TootsieFootsie

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    Thanks Itsapuzzle!

    I had totally forgotten all that.

     
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  6. Intriguedbyintrigue

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    Sorry if I've broken the rules for sharing the comment. Why would this be a no-no? Is it because its shared from a social media source or because the content questions the podcast?
     
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    Hi Garyb- she may well borrowed a car. She could also have hired or purchased one- or just relied on public transport. Once she was identified as located, the information would have been there, but not available to her family.
     
  8. Itsapuzzle

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    No worries Intrigued, I'm probably wrong, not sure, but the admins could take it down, just putting it out there, who knows really, this is in the terms of service thingos.

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    Not sure if this has been posted before but I just came across a post from Alison Sandy. On another forum so not sure if it's ok to post the link here.

    The post is about a pilot she is looking for. Was posted on the 27th November on a Professional Pilots forum.
     
  10. Sophie-Renee

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    Ahh ok. I originally thought she had flew out on the Florabella one and then I read nearer the beginning of some threads, that she went out on Marion and came back only on Florbella. I thought I must have just assumed Florabella on both by mistake. But actually , sounds like they originally thought a Marion passport used, then it got cleared up.

    That's useful information for the expiration date on the passport. Given Marion seemed kinda unsure of her return (if she planned to return at all), do we know what she put on the return date for her ticket? Like can it simply be as vague as - within the next 6 months or do you need to give an estimated date?

    Ok- so as for the 6 month thing, unless Marion had secured a job or had a working visa for her visit, there is no way she could have stayed there beyond the end of the year. Unless she was hoping to extend her visa or change it WHILE over there and secure work.
     
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  11. KiwiNZ

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    I was confused as well, the podcast doesn’t seemed to have cleared up the passport issue, they should have interviewed a travel expert that would have cleared this up as the rules of travel are very black and white and extremely hard to get around unless you commit fraud or break the law in which case the police would have easily been able to see that and this would have been investigated as a crime.

    Marion knew enough to give Sally her CV to forward on and not carry it with her through UK customs so must have done some research. If your caught entering the UK on a tourist visa with anthing that suggests you could be looking for work you will be deported straight away.

    To book tickets to the UK you must book departure tickets at the same time, it does not have to be back to Aus it can be anywhere but you have to have a outbound flight within 6 months of your arrival + your passport must expire a minimum of 6 months after this date, your passport can not expire during your travel period. You can apply for a visa extension but on a tourist visa it’s unlikly to be extended. It is very hard to get a job while on a tourist visa but not impossible, most of the time you have to leave the country and reapply for the new visa from outside of the UK.

    In the late 90,s the JAL flight to London was a regular route from the pacific, I took this twice in 98, 99 from auckland via Tokyo both times landed in Heathrow.

    You can also not marry while on a tourist visa in the UK you need a special visa to do this.
     
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    It's the same with the funds sent to the UK and the storage container. Someone from the industry could talk through the standard processes (which are black and white) and clear up a lot of questions.

    Personally I think that the podcast investigative team has to have looked into this stuff but perhaps chooses to hold a little back from what is broadcast to promote discussion and maintain listener engagement.
     
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    She certainly would have had plenty of public transport options to get quickly between these towns the problem would be within the towns as they are quite big and spreed out. But as she was cashed up she probably just caught taxis.
     
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    Thanks for some really informative information there. Sounds like the visa thing was pretty strict - the same as I believe it is now. (Never needed to apply for a visa myself ), but I certainly know from fellow Brits that for us to travel for an extended period over to Australia, there is a lot of criteria that has to be met.


    I wonder if the Brisbane flight also had a Tokyo stop over. Because I wonder about the 2 dates I have seen with regards to the last phone call Sally recieved- quoted as July 31st and August 1st - does one refer to it being July 31st UK time and the other being August 1st Australian time? I believe there is about a 10 or 11 hour time diffrence, with Australia being further ahead. With Marion or Florabella said to have flown back the day after this also can make it look like she did on same day as she made the call- i.e making it seem like it must have been someone else on the flight. I had seen this being queried somewhere as being odd- but way I am assuming it is, she rang Sally on 31st July UK time and 1st August Australian time. She then flew back home on August 1st (but this refers to UK time). This is a little thing that has never been made clear and I think it had got some people thinking how can she be in 2 places at once and it definitely needs clarifying.
     
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    I wonder if Marion ever got to visit any of the places Jane Austen lived


    When Marion Barter boarded a flight to London in June 1997, it was for a year-long sabbatical, the big adventure. All her life she had wanted to go on the Orient Express and now she was on her way. She had left her job, sold her house, she was cashed up, she was free. She was going to visit all the places Jane Austen lived, she excitedly told a friend two days before she left.

    From the UK, Marion sent postcards to friends and family, and birthday presents. She was having a “wonderful” time. She’d been “brave” and hired a car, and was on her way to Amsterdam. “I’m in a holiday mood and beginning to unwind with all this beauty surrounding me,” she wrote to Sally. She missed “my beautiful little boys”, her pupils at The Southport School where she taught.

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  16. KiwiNZ

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    Sally said Marion wen to Japan on here way to the UK that is why I assume it was the JAL flight into Heathrow as it was a popular route in the late 90’sfrom nz and Aus.

    I did a post on the time difference and whether it was possible to have made that call and arrive in Brisbane on the 2nd. By my calculations it wasn’t, so it either wasn’t her on the flight but she was alive at the time, she made the call from a stop over, or Sally has the day she called incorrect
     
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    Thankyou for the transcription, seems to lend to the voluntary aspect of her missing.
    Marion was distancing herself from her friends emotionally and talking of changing States physically. People move for career/lifestyle choices of course, however her being a single woman it is usually hard to leave family and friends.
     
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    That’s a interesting point. Do we know what time her flight arrived on August 2nd?

    Also, regarding flight to UK, it seems she in Japan for at least one night at a hotel. Is that unusual for a layover?
     
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    10am into Brisbane on the 2nd, although the police did get the airport incorrect at firstso there is a chance the date may be wrong as well.

    My flight from heathrow, japan, auckland was 10hrs in the airport but auckland, Japan, Heathrow included 1 night in a hotel. That happened both times I flew 98 and 99, so I agree she would have had at least 1 night in a hotel on the flight out of Aus, you could also extend it if you wanted to but the 1 night was standard on that leg.
     
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    You also do not write the time on your arrival card so they would have had to check the flight she was on, that is written on the arrival card, so they may have made a mistake 10am instead of 10 pm maybe ?

    I will see what I can find on JAL flights from Brisbane in 1997 ... probally not much but will try
     
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