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No, there’s a new post now, not related to the earlier one that was removed, I believe.
We can agree to disagree. Maybe it’s not exactly “masterful” or of use to you, but the real value of the CNN piece in my opinion is that it’s mainstream media in the US, which gets the story out to a wider audience. Today CNN, tomorrow the Guardian or NYT. It is such a huge and confusing story than any summary will have weaknesses. As for the quote you quote, I think it’s legit. Marion’s name change and return to Australia did, sadly, cause delay in the case. But then again CNN is only American journalism, so you are allowed to find fault.
CNN article but it almost seems like a foreign language translation.
Seems current. It mentions Wednesdays court not going ahead.
Not too impressed. Lots of errors and just plain getting it wrong. Incorrect Grammar and incorrect use of words. IMO.
How about this bit
"If Barter had vanished without a trace, Australian police may have taken her case more seriously"
My apologiesI don’t think we’re talking about the same post. The one I’m referring to is still there, not the picture they were asking for help sharpening up. I wouldn’t post about something they’d requested us not to.
We can agree to disagree. Maybe it’s not exactly “masterful” or of use to you, but the real value of the CNN piece in my opinion is that it’s mainstream media in the US, which gets the story out to a wider audience. Today CNN, tomorrow the Guardian or NYT. It is such a huge and confusing story than any summary will have weaknesses. As for the quote you quote, I think it’s legit. Marion’s name change and return to Australia did, sadly, cause delay in the case. But then again CNN is only American journalism, so you are allowed to find fault.
Hopefully it will reach Hungary too some day soon.Marion's story is spreading.
A Czech publication has now picked up the CNN article.
Here is their translated version.
Záhadné zmizení Marion Barterové: Prodala dům, odletěla. Pak už ji nikdo neviděl
Marion Barterová byla oblíbená učitelka na jedné z australských základních škol a matka dvou dětí. V roce 1997 se však život její rodiny obrátil naruby. Jedenapadesátiletá Marion dala výpověď ve škole, prodala dům a odletěla z australského Zlatého pobřeží lemovaného plážemi do Evropy, kde...www-denik-cz.translate.goog
The death cert states she had been here 2 years before she died in 1977.Looking through my timeline... IK had only been back in Australia for a short while when she passed away. Between about 7 months and 1.5 years max He couldn't let her live in peace in the same country.
What date do you have for her arrival?The death cert states she had been here 2 years before she died in 1977.
I have:Can someone please check their notes and remind me if WW and IK left Australia together or separately? I have conflicting info:
18 Jan 1970 – IK baby 1 born
15 Feb 1970 – WW & IK depart Aus, divorced
8 May 1970 – Baby 1 departs Aus for Belgium
5 Oct 1970 – IK departs Aus
Gymtonic said: but she does state on the departure card that she has been in Belgium for the previous 12 months.I have:
18 Jan 1970: IK baby IEJ Wooters born
15 Feb 1970: WW departs from Sydney
8 May 1970: IEJ Wooters (baby) departs Sydney on KL844
10 May 1970: IK departs Sydney on QF530 (but strangely she does state on the departure card that she has been in Belgium for the previous 12 months)
Another earlier date that also intrigues me is that IK herself was charged with a traffic Haulage offence in Brussels on Aug 19 1968 around the times that WW was collecting multiple traffic offences.
No, my notes say that she indicated she had been in Belgium for the previous 12 months. Could have just been a misunderstanding of the question.Gymtonic said: but she does state on the departure card that she has been in Belgium for the previous 12 months.
Did you mean to say "Australia"?
Yep these are correctI have:
18 Jan 1970: IK baby IEJ Wooters born
15 Feb 1970: WW departs from Sydney
8 May 1970: IEJ Wooters (baby) departs Sydney on KL844
10 May 1970: IK departs Sydney on QF530 (but strangely she does state on the departure card that she has been in Belgium for the previous 12 months)
Another earlier date that also intrigues me is that IK herself was charged with a traffic Haulage offence in Brussels on Aug 19 1968 around the times that WW was collecting multiple traffic offences.
It has appeared to me that if they were married in Belgium not long before they left for Australia, they would have to have got a divorce in Belgium.
Or, as RB claimed he was single when he arrived in Perth, they simply pretended to be married hence a divorce was not necessary as RB supplied authorities here faked Marriage Certificate documents.
As to why IK returned to Australia ending up with her death a year later, perhaps she had already met the man (she married later) in Australia, he went over there to visit her and they decided to get married in Hungary. As he was a resident of Australia, they came back here to live. Finding a man with an English-sounding name in Hungary so quickly when you have a young baby is too much of a coincidence to me otherwise.
It is an offence under the Crimes Act to be married to two or more people at the same time.TAINTED LOVE EPISODE 2 :
The Lady Vanishes: Tainted Love (part 2) on Apple Podcasts
The family of IK employed a PI to find out who WW was – did not trust him and IK didn't tell her family she was applying to emigrate to Australia.
He was still married to his 2nd wife at the time
IK had 1 daughter and her father was WW.
She put her daughter on a plane with another woman to return to her parents in Belgium and then left for Belgium after her.
She then reunited with WW in LILLE in France (ONCE HE HAD RETURNED FROM AUSTRALIA AFTER HIS CRUISE ON THE CHUSAN WITH DIANE) and lived with him and THE BABY UNTIL just before HE WAS ARRESTED 1971.
sometime between June 1971 and her arrival into Aust she marries MJR back in Budapest, she has another baby
He isnt concerned about divorcing anyone. He is a bigamist.
Whether he did marry IK or didnt, it doesn't matter. That was the least of his concern - he was a known crimnial even back then.
If they didnt marry it would have been easier for her to marry MJR
If they did marry she could have applied for divorce herself
AS far as what date she arrived back into Aust, I go by her death cert.
If you have some evidence of another year, be great for everyone to see it.
I haven’t heard the podcast yet, but when put like this — possible fake marriage certificate and emigration to Australia— it sounds exactly like the scenarios RB perpetrated on women 20 years later. Chilling.TAINTED LOVE EPISODE 2 :
The Lady Vanishes: Tainted Love (part 2) on Apple Podcasts
The family of IK employed a PI to find out who WW was – did not trust him and IK didn't tell her family she was applying to emigrate to Australia.
He was still married to his 2nd wife at the time
IK had 1 daughter and her father was WW.
She put her daughter on a plane with another woman to return to her parents in Belgium and then left for Belgium after her.
She then reunited with WW in LILLE in France (ONCE HE HAD RETURNED FROM AUSTRALIA AFTER HIS CRUISE ON THE CHUSAN WITH DIANE) and lived with him and THE BABY UNTIL just before HE WAS ARRESTED 1971.
sometime between June 1971 and her arrival into Aust she marries MJR back in Budapest, she has another baby
He isnt concerned about divorcing anyone. He is a bigamist.
Whether he did marry IK or didnt, it doesn't matter. That was the least of his concern - he was a known crimnial even back then.
If they didnt marry it would have been easier for her to marry MJR
If they did marry she could have applied for divorce herself
AS far as what date she arrived back into Aust, I go by her death cert.
If you have some evidence of another year, be great for everyone to see it.