Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Totally!

No registration of Marriage there for her either.

Runs in the family

I think son, DdeH also was married beachside

I've forgotten which celebrity couple it was who when it came to divorcing, found out they'd *never* been married as the ceremony was officiated in Bali and wasn't legally recognised in law. So... something to consider in that situation too.

Edit - it was Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall

 

[mishy66]

Which is why she was married there, that is my point.
He is obviously very connected to Bali. Him and his band of 'merry men".

IMO

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Totally!

No registration of Marriage there for her either.

Runs in the family

I think son, DdeH also was married beachside

I wonder what effect it may have on a prenup or any other marriage related legalities?

 

[Procrastinator]

I think the tea chests were delivered to Wollongbar like AKA said. There must be some sort of evidence about that he knows may exist and that's why he said that. IMO the boxes were not picked up a week later.

 

[Martinie]

Something is up for sure.

I saw last night between the news, a snippet of what is to come on 7 Spotlight.
I did notice on the news Liam Bartlett was at the inquest trying to question AH

Anyways it said on the clip coming up on Spotlight - Marion Barter case, potential 2nd murder !

Did it say when it was on? I don't watch a lot of TV, so I don't even know what 7 spotlight is or when it's on.

 

[mishy66]

Did it say when it was on? I don't watch a lot of TV, so I don't even know what 7 spotlight is or when it's on.

It looked like in a couple of weeks?

It is like a 60minutes doco but run on Channel 7 - on a Sunday Night

 

[Martinie]

It looked like in a couple of weeks?

It is like a 60minutes doco but run on Channel 7 - on a Sunday Night

Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for it.

 

[MrsWattle]

I think the tea chests were delivered to Wollongbar like AKA said. There must be some sort of evidence about that he knows may exist and that's why he said that. IMO the boxes were not picked up a week later.

Yes this is his admission about Marion being there at that address.
What about the regular visitor who said there were filing cabinets lined up military style in garage, and AKA's work desk with coin jewellery equipment and diamonds.
Is it also possible he lived there alone at some stage?
Incredible that he used the
De Hedervary name on two of his victims and they knew lived in Australia.
De Hedervary, Hungarian name.

 

[sah10406]

My original thought was that Marion changed her name (without telling anyone, inc RB) to Remakel because in Luxembourg a wife didn't by law acquire the husband's surname).

Is it the law in Australia, or just a convention?

Either way, MB seems to have been very keen on doing it. Other than AKA himself, she may have the most legal names of anyone I have ever come across: Wilson, Warren, Brown, Barter and Remakel.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

His victim ‘Charlotte’ states she went to meet him at the train station in Belgium on the 24 Feb 2012 apparently off a train coming from London. I assume this was Eurostar after flying into London Heathrow. A convoluted way of getting to Tournai.

Do we think he ever flew into Belgium or was he so fearful of being caught that he always flew into neighbouring countries and made his way there by other means so he didn’t need to show his passport in Belgium?

He was only a petty criminal according to Belgium Police records so it does make you wonder what other crime he had been involved in to avoid Belgium airports.

I assume there would be a record of each of his flights in and out of Europe and whether he was avoiding Belgium as point of entry & departure.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Charlotte also informs us that he used the Internet on her laptop and she was prepared to hand it to the Police in 2012. Sadly I’m guessing they never took her up on that offer. I wonder if she still has that old laptop at her home? If she does it could be very enlightening.

 

[mishy66]

Charlotte also informs us that he used the Internet on her laptop and she was prepared to hand it to the Police in 2012. Sadly I’m guessing they never took her up on that offer. I wonder if she still has that old laptop at her home? If she does it could be very enlightening.

Yes while he was at it, he was also probably deleting all images of himself

 

[1965school]

It looked like in a couple of weeks?

It is like a 60minutes doco but run on Channel 7 - on a Sunday Night

I believe it on next Sunday night (not this Sunday) on Ch 7 and I think 7pm

 

[mishy66]

Yes this is his admission about Marion being there at that address.
What about the regular visitor who said there were filing cabinets lined up military style in garage, and AKA's work desk with coin jewellery equipment and diamonds.
Is it also possible he lived there alone at some stage?
Incredible that he used the
De Hedervary name on two of his victims and they knew lived in Australia.
De Hedervary, Hungarian name.

I'm totally convinced I have this name and UK linked to AH

 

[Housemartyn]

I don't agree with some aspects of the above theory but the gist of it, I agree that possibly the reason Marion has never been seen again is because unfortunately for her, she did challenge RB in a way that he had not foreseen or expected because she was less vulnerable.

Maybe she had started out totally compliant and even changed her name to the frankly ludicrous Florabella Natalia Ramakel, as, IMO, doubtless firmly instructed to do so but she threw a spanner in the works keeping 'Marion'.

Also my belief is that as a teacher who had worked with youngsters for so many years, she was well used to seeing through and managing fibs, fabrications, temper tantrums, and all forms of childish outbursts as well as having a good understanding of what interpersonal bullying and intimidation are - these are issues any teacher would be aware of, professionally and experientially. As well as keeping paperwork in good order and dotting the 'i's, crossing the 't's and following rules to the letter, plus having a belief in 'the insitution', hierarchies, and forms of authority.

I suspect for those reasons that although she was led a merry dance, she started to see something wasn't real and true and due to her personality, she wasn't the sort that was going to be menaced by any man. She probably also wasn't the sort to bend rules to suit herself or agree to inappropriate conduct where it could be 'against the rules'.

Also, I think if she realised RB was scamming her, if it's true she was a bit of a 'firecracker' I think she'd have been indignant with rage and ready to alert all form of authorities and tell her family, not fold into a suicidal despair. Only the people who know her best would be able to comment on that.

JMO MOO

Totally!
Which is why IMO she would never have gone into the banks for weeks in a row to draw out all the money! I really don't think it was Marion. That's such a crazy thing to do.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Totally!
Which is why IMO she would never have gone into the banks for weeks in a row to draw out all the money! I really don't think it was Marion. That's such a crazy thing to do.

Agree. Especially when over that time even if they didn’t have the whole amount required on the first withdrawal they order in the amount you need available. It takes a few days.

 

[mishy66]

I mentioned a while back did AKA speak Hungarian. Listening to the podcast the answer was yes, fluently. And German too. Is AKA Hungarian?

Your post reminded me of a post I put up about the Jewish family who were living at the same address that he had on his passenger card coming back into Aust for a few days in 1974

they are on the Electoral roll as being there in 1972 - Gordon Freed Director - Wife Secretary /Stenographer


Reminds me of the Walker family TBH with the same occupations!


Here is the old post

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

I don't know if I should be posting this, but it is all publicly available information. I recently compiled a short timeline to help me work out what was happening leading up to Marion obtaining a new passport. What is striking to me is how much extra work was created for her in a week when...

www.websleuths.com

and here are some links to their business. If you do more searches you will find heaps of interesting things about them!

The Freed Family

Putting lustre in heirlooms - The Australian Jewish Times (Sydney, NSW : 1953 - 1990) - 28 Nov 1985

From earliest days, man has made jewellery, not only as a ...

trove.nla.gov.au

They are antique dealers

Parer Industrial COMPANY

Parer Industrial Pty Ltd

Preserving heirlooms - The Australian Jewish Times (Sydney, NSW : 1953 - 1990) - 29 Mar 1984

Parer Industrial brings antiques and precious family heirlooms back to their original elegance. ...

trove.nla.gov.au

By 1975 they are living at Rose Bay

50th wedding year - The Australian Jewish Times (Sydney, NSW : 1953 - 1990) - 13 Nov 1975

More than 30 relatives and close friends helped Sally and Mark Taffel, of Darling Point, celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary, last week. The celebration was held in the Rose Bay home of Helen and Gordon Freed. ...

trove.nla.gov.au

The wife was very much involved with WIZO -

and was a pre school director 1997 - first built Jewish preschool

Yeshiva’s purpose-built preschool open for business - The Australian Jewish News (Sydney, NSW : 1990 - 2008) - 14 Nov 1997


I wonder if DdeH family were involved with the Jewish community ....after all, they did seem very accepting of AH when they all met on the Chusan all those years ago, him 31 years old and her 19.

 

[mishy66]

wowee!

While we all know AH talks BS, the current post on MB FB page is just a bit off IMO

Posting images of Muslims to use as a joke highlighting AH lies, isn't really necessary is it?
NOT to mention sharing peoples links to various pages, including WS.
Whether it is right or wrong information, its all hindsight now people have more information on the case. Using screenshots from years ago is pretty poor taste IMO and the post could have been written without the crude images and poor jokes. I don't know this Hines person who is missing, but I can imagine what the family must feel like having his face plastered all over the page using it as a means to explain away AH BS.

We aren't allowed to post images on that page in relation to the case, yet someone seems to be ok with plastering peoples profiles on there when it suits.

We all KNOW AH speaks total BS.

Don't need to address it with disparagement humour

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wowee indeed!

I'm so glad we have here.

They seem almost rabid there

 

[CuriousKat99]

wowee!

While we all know AH talks BS, the current post on MB FB page is just a bit off IMO

Posting images of Muslims to use as a joke highlighting AH lies, isn't really necessary is it?
NOT to mention sharing peoples links to various pages, including WS.
Whether it is right or wrong information, its all hindsight now people have more information on the case. Using screenshots from years ago is pretty poor taste IMO and the post could have been written without the crude images and poor jokes. I don't know this Hines person who is missing, but I can imagine what the family must feel like having his face plastered all over the page using it as a means to explain away AH BS.

We aren't allowed to post images on that page in relation to the case, yet someone seems to be ok with plastering peoples profiles on there when it suits.

We all KNOW AH speaks total BS.

Don't need to address it with disparagement humour

Less restrained than usual for sure, but I took it as absolute frustration at the lack of progress. AH is still enjoying life as a free citizen fully funded by the AU Govt and his “inheritances” as he calls them. No sign of AH being held to account and no sign of Marion.