GUILTY Australia - One dead, 18 injured by car, Flinders St, Melbourne, 21 Dec 2017 *Arrest*

It’s interesting one witness says he arrived before the police and there was 3 people in the car. That could have been the off duty policeman who jumped in the passengers side and held the driver.

ALSO - say the driver sped up before hitting the pedestrians-
Lawyer Sam Dempster was walking along Flinders St outside Fitness First when he saw the driver speed up, hit pedestrians and heard "shocking sounds" as they landed.

"I saw the car driving down Flinders St and it sped up. I looked up and it just mowed through all these people,'' he said.

Lachlan said the apparent driver, dressed in blue jeans and a white T-shirt, appeared to be unconscious.

I was there before the police arrived.

"When I arrived it looked there were two or three people in the car."

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com....ders-st-incident-witnesses-describe-/3296326/
Flinders St attack: Bodies were ‘thrown like rag dolls’




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Glenn decides to concentrate on the car, "the guy that did it". Two other men walk towards the car too.
They open the door to find a man in a white t-shirt and blue jeans sitting upright in the driver's seat. He is unconscious.

Glenn can't get to him from the driver's side, so he goes to the passenger side.
They open the door to find a man in a white t-shirt and blue jeans sitting upright in the driver's seat. He is unconscious.

Glenn can't get to him from the driver's side, so he goes to the passenger side.
"I could smell fumes," he says. "I thought 'Is this a terrorist attack? What if there's a bomb in the car that hasn't gone off yet?"

His companions try to pull the man out of the driver's side but are having a hard time of it. Glenn starts to push him out from the passenger side.

"Another guy, said 'Leave him in the car, leave him in the car'."

A member of the public jumps in and starts helping, and that's when the first uniform police officer arrives.

"Where's the guy? In the driver's seat?" the officer asks.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...dness-on-flinders-street-20171222-h09fdk.html
DECEMBER 22 2017
Amid the chaos on Flinders Street, Glenn James went to find the driver of the car
 
Noori’s lawyer Tass Antos said his mental impairment and fitness to plead will be explored as part of the defence case.

Prosecutors asked for longer than usual to serve a brief of evidence on the defence, which will include CCTV footage.

Magistrate John Hardy noted Noori was withdrawing from drug addiction, that he may have psychiatric and other illnesses and was taking medication for mental health issues.

“It’s important that you continue to take your medications,” Mr Hardy said. Mr Hardy also ordered Noori be seen by Forensicare as soon as possible. “They can only see you if you let them,” he said.

“That’s your choice, but I ask you to do that. Do you understand that?” Noori replied quietly: “Yes, your honour”.

According to a police summary, a motive for the accused’s actions remains under investigation and further charges are being considered.

Noori was remanded in custody until his committal mention on May 30. He made no application for bail.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ac...t/news-story/886a0700572252c70a31561fcdabb28c
Accused Flinders St driver may have psychiatric issues or an undiagnosed illness



Prosecuting Mental Impairment Matters

http://www.opp.vic.gov.au/getattach...01/Prosecuting-Mental-Impairment-Matters.aspx
 
I'd like to know just how 'mentally impaired' he was supposed to be.

Has he ever been hospitalized for being unable to care for himself or to understand basics? Has he ever been diagnosed with any serious mental disorders?

He has very little criminal history. And I don't believe he has a very serious mental health history either. I think they just want to pass it off as a petty criminal with mental disorders, so they can avoid the issue of terrorism coming to Melbourne.
 
I'd like to know just how 'mentally impaired' he was supposed to be.

Has he ever been hospitalized for being unable to care for himself or to understand basics? Has he ever been diagnosed with any serious mental disorders?

He has very little criminal history. And I don't believe he has a very serious mental health history either. I think they just want to pass it off as a petty criminal with mental disorders, so they can avoid the issue of terrorism coming to Melbourne.

Yes same for me.

I guess the real question was is how much did the meth abuse play in this to be explored possible psychiatric impairment. Would not be mental health impairment than would it?

The Weekend Australian has been told Mr Noori was committed for two weeks as an involuntary psychiatric patient earlier this year. He is also a heavy user of methamphetamine, or ice.
Authorities suspect he may have been suffering from the residual effects of post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his life in Afghanistan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/c44a902a4dead0794dd8baf810717431
Police to zero in on lone wolf ‘obsessives’
 
Yes same for me.

I guess the real question was is how much did the meth abuse play in this to be explored possible psychiatric impairment. Would not be mental health impairment than would it?

The Weekend Australian has been told Mr Noori was committed for two weeks as an involuntary psychiatric patient earlier this year. He is also a heavy user of methamphetamine, or ice.
Authorities suspect he may have been suffering from the residual effects of post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his life in Afghanistan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/c44a902a4dead0794dd8baf810717431
Police to zero in on lone wolf ‘obsessives’

He might have been playing the injured card to get all our benefits.



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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sion-abuse.html?ito=social-facebook_Australia

Thousands of drug addicts and alcoholics are receiving the disability support pension (DSP) for conditions caused by their own substance abuse.

:gaah::tantrum:

“It’s important that you continue to take your medications,” Mr Hardy said. Mr Hardy also ordered Noori be seen by Forensicare as soon as possible. “They can only see you if you let them,” he said.

“That’s your choice, but I ask you to do that. Do you understand that?” Noori replied quietly: “Yes, your honour”.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/acc...31561fcdabb28c
Accused Flinders St driver may have psychiatric issues or an undiagnosed illness.

Only if you let them .... while two innocent people lie in hospital in a critical condition.

I guess all that were injured and witness the terror this bloke caused will suffer their own post traumatic stress.

"That is your choice" :tantrum: :gaah:
 
The Melbourne Magistrates Court today heard Mr Noori might be preparing to lodge a defence of mental impairment, and was suffering from mental health issues and possible drug withdrawal.

The court heard police wanted a slightly longer period than usual to prepare the brief of evidence against Mr Noori, prompting defence barrister Tass Antos to reply that this would hopefully give him enough time to seek material on whether his client was impaired or otherwise mentally unfit.

Mr Antos gave magistrate John Hardy a list of medications currently prescribed to Mr Noori

Mr Noori sat behind protective glass in the dock, keeping his head bowed throughout the half-hour hearing.

He did not speak except to confirm he could hear the magistrate, and nodded that he understood the proceedings.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/09568fa50dae2f5007920fca483ce7f6
Flinders St driver urged to take medication by magistrate
 
We have a lot of problems with METH in the US. It is a huge problem in many states. It leads to theft, burglaries, domestic violence, armed robberies and assaults, etc.

I have not seen it lead to a driver purposely speeding up and plowing down a crowd of people Christmas shopping before. I have seen that same vicious action, but it has not usually been attributed to meth usage.
 
We have a lot of problems with METH in the US. It is a huge problem in many states. It leads to theft, burglaries, domestic violence, armed robberies and assaults, etc.

I have not seen it lead to a driver purposely speeding up and plowing down a crowd of people Christmas shopping before. I have seen that same vicious action, but it has not usually been attributed to meth usage.

I dunno, what was the Nazi who drove into the crowd at Charlottesville on? Just hate?

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...es-to-run-over-woman-outside-las-vegas-school
And this one?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...owd-charged-with-murder-idUSKBN0U40X120151223
And this?
All just mentally ill?
 
I dunno, what was the Nazi who drove into the crowd at Charlottesville on? Just hate?

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...es-to-run-over-woman-outside-las-vegas-school
And this one?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...owd-charged-with-murder-idUSKBN0U40X120151223
And this?
All just mentally ill?


The vegas link explained it:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...s-vegas-school

Police said the incident started with an argument between the driver and a woman at a nearby home. The woman took off walking and that's when the driver gave chase.

Witnesses said the man floored his car in reverse and drove around in circles. He nearly hit several kids as they were leaving the school.

[ so it looks like a domestic violence incident that ended up in the streets]



And this one seems like a similar type of situation:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...0U40X120151223

Holloway, who is being held without bail, told detectives she had been trying to sleep in her car earlier on Sunday but became stressed when she kept getting chased off by security guards, the police report said.

Holloway may have stopped in Las Vegas en route to Texas, where her daughter’s father lives, and the couple may have quarreled, Lombardo said, adding it was otherwise unclear what might have “caused her to snap.”



The Charlottesville case was closer to terrorism. He was swept up in the protests. He was not on meth, as far as I know. He was angry. But it was terrorism, in my opinion.



But, in contrast, here is what was reportedly said by the Melbourne suspect:

Saeed Noori, 32, who entered Australia 14 years ago, spoke to police about Allah, Australia’s domestic spy agency (ASIO) and the mistreatment of Muslims in the hours after his attack which has left 19 people injured, three of them critically.

“There was something to do with Allah, some ramblings about ASIO,” the acting chief police commissioner for the state of Victoria, Shane Patton, told The Australian newspaper.



Noori is an Australian citizen of Afghan descent who settled in Australia as a refugee.[18] In an informal interview he made utterances in which he "attributed some of his activities ... to the mistreatment of Muslims".[19] Police said Noori also made comments in relation to Allah and ASIO following his arrest.[20] One of Noori's co-workers at the call centre where they worked said: "There was always talk of his religious beliefs, he was very strong in that. People would say 'I believe in God' and he'd say 'you need to believe in Allah'."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...police-about-allah-following-attack-3thssns7x



So there is a difference between this attack on pedestrians and the ones you linked. None of the three linked above spoke of the mistreatment of Muslims nor spoke of Allah.

It is hard to ignore that, combined with the previous recent attacks on crowds, perpetrated by Islamic extremists. JMO :cow:
 
The vegas link explained it:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...s-vegas-school

Police said the incident started with an argument between the driver and a woman at a nearby home. The woman took off walking and that's when the driver gave chase.

Witnesses said the man floored his car in reverse and drove around in circles. He nearly hit several kids as they were leaving the school.

[ so it looks like a domestic violence incident that ended up in the streets]



And this one seems like a similar type of situation:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...0U40X120151223

Holloway, who is being held without bail, told detectives she had been trying to sleep in her car earlier on Sunday but became stressed when she kept getting chased off by security guards, the police report said.

Holloway may have stopped in Las Vegas en route to Texas, where her daughter’s father lives, and the couple may have quarreled, Lombardo said, adding it was otherwise unclear what might have “caused her to snap.”



The Charlottesville case was closer to terrorism. He was swept up in the protests. He was not on meth, as far as I know. He was angry. But it was terrorism, in my opinion.



But, in contrast, here is what was reportedly said by the Melbourne suspect:

Saeed Noori, 32, who entered Australia 14 years ago, spoke to police about Allah, Australia’s domestic spy agency (ASIO) and the mistreatment of Muslims in the hours after his attack which has left 19 people injured, three of them critically.

“There was something to do with Allah, some ramblings about ASIO,” the acting chief police commissioner for the state of Victoria, Shane Patton, told The Australian newspaper.



Noori is an Australian citizen of Afghan descent who settled in Australia as a refugee.[18] In an informal interview he made utterances in which he "attributed some of his activities ... to the mistreatment of Muslims".[19] Police said Noori also made comments in relation to Allah and ASIO following his arrest.[20] One of Noori's co-workers at the call centre where they worked said: "There was always talk of his religious beliefs, he was very strong in that. People would say 'I believe in God' and he'd say 'you need to believe in Allah'."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...police-about-allah-following-attack-3thssns7x



So there is a difference between this attack on pedestrians and the ones you linked. None of the three linked above spoke of the mistreatment of Muslims nor spoke of Allah.

It is hard to ignore that, combined with the previous recent attacks on crowds, perpetrated by Islamic extremists. JMO :cow:


Yes, we know, there is always a perfectly good reason why others do it, but your statement was that you have not seen it lead to a person purposefully speed up and plow down a lot of people. That is simply not true. It has happened numerous times.
 
Yes, we know, there is always a perfectly good reason why others do it, but your statement was that you have not seen it lead to a person purposefully speed up and plow down a lot of people. That is simply not true. It has happened numerous times.

I said I never saw METH cause someone to ram into a crowd on purpose. Many are blaming his meth usage.


Those examples that you linked were not meth users, as far as I can tell.

I don't think this man's meth usage is to blame. JMO

Do you think that his religious beliefs are irrelevant to this case?
 
I said I never saw METH cause someone to ram into a crowd on purpose. Many are blaming his meth usage.


Those examples that you linked were not meth users, as far as I can tell.

I don't think this man's meth usage is to blame. JMO

Do you think that his religious beliefs are irrelevant to this case?
,

Yes, I do, Like I think Catholic priests who raped children had nothing to do with their religious beliefs, This is a nutter who happens to be Muslim, like those paedophiles who happened to be Catholic.
 
It's not possible to use bollards at the major Melbourne intersection where a car recently mowed down pedestrians, authorities say.
As the state government announced the shutdown of several city streets ahead of New Year's Eve festivities, it was confirmed extra concrete bollards are not viable where Flinders and Elizabeth streets meet.
"Because if you did, well it would not be the intersection that we know it to be, the trams could simply not run," Premier Daniel Andrews told reporters on Friday.
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...k/news-story/ac4e5868199a9fa15bfead0a72715486




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