Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 Mar 2020 #5 *charges*

[they'll get you]

Time hasn’t been kind

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He looks debauched. Maybe not the sex but drugs and alcohol.

 

[they'll get you]

Quick Question - If he has disclosed where they are buried, would they not take him there in person, for him to show where they are. This would also be used as more evidence. what do you all think...

I agree that if he leads them there then it’s 100% admission.
I remember when Bret Cowen lead the ‘Mr Big’ guys to where he left Daniel Morcombe and the detectives came out of the bushes. Hello, hello, hello. Gold, pure gold.

 

[they'll get you]

I don’t think he’d have shot the gas bottle, what would be the point? He’d have to still go and set the campsite on fire, and by then most of the gas would’ve leaked out. Don’t believe what you see in the movies. I reckon a better bet is that he turned the gas on slow inside the tent and lit a fire, hoping the leaking gas would fuel it.

I actually wonder if he got annoyed by the drone and shot it out of the air. That would’ve made Russell furious and provoked a fight.

Poor Carol must have been terrified when the men started arguing and then the worst happened

 

[JudgeJudi]

GL's family expressed their distress over the case, while acknowledging the anguish of the campers' families.

"It has been distressing for our family and the families of the deceased and we are completely traumatised as well by these tragic events," they said.

"We need to deal with the legal proceedings as they arise and try to restore some balance in our lives. We also acknowledge the suffering of the Clay and Hill families at this difficult time."

The family said they understood the media were interested in the proceedings but asked for privacy.

There's a short video showing the wild weather searchers had to endure today.

Family of pilot charged with murder of missing campers speak

 

[Eloise]

Poor Carol must have been terrified when the men started arguing and then the worst happened

It's all I can think about

 

[JudgeJudi]

Does this scenario work with the missing sleeping bags? I don't believe it does.

It could if RH and CC were in their sleeping bags when they were murdered. Easier to kill too and then carry them over to his Nissan Patrol neatly ensconced in their sleeping bags and ready to dispose of.

 

[SP2500]

Are we possibly dealing with an altercation between two alpha males here? One maybe older, but he is no shrinking violet imo.

 

[emirates1957]

So he now has 6 months of sitting in big boy prison, waiting for his committal hearing.


"Soon after the court appearance, a prison van was seen arriving at Sale police station.
Lynn was brought up from his cell and bundled into the truck before the heavy security gates opened and he was driven away."
Family of man accused of murdering missing campers Greg Lynn breaks silence

Takes me back to GBC.

 

[emirates1957]

Are we possibly dealing with an altercation between two alpha males here? One maybe older, but he is no shrinking violet imo.

Oh you have hit it on the head.

 

[Theodora]

The sister and niece of a friend of mine were, probably still are, employed by one of the Commonwealth agencies (not sure if it was ASIO, ASIS, AFP) to listen to intercepted telephone calls and report. They worked from home on this, years before Covid. They were not trained police but would have had strict security clearances.

Do police really do that? I mean, would a judge give permission? And who has the manpower to listen to recordings from every room in the house 24/7?

Possibly there might have been officers sitting outside. Hear shouting and see him slam the door and rush out. One vehicle follows him, other officer goes to the front door and find an excuse to start asking questions.

JMO

 

[Theodora]

I thought Australian media didn't publish photos of accused people until they had been tried? I must be wrong.

It depends whether identification will be an issue. If witnesses will be required to identify the accused, eg as the person seen attacking someone, then photos should not be published.

 

[Theodora]

I wondered whether the fire was meant to set off a bushfire and completely destroy everything around the camp site

I like this part of the theory re. shooting out a gas bottle, which caused the fire, mainly because I can't see why anyone would do that deliberately as it draws attention to it being a crime as opposed to the theory that the couple got lost in the bush etc..

 

[5W's]

100% agree. Notwithstanding the previous wife who died suddenly, I wouldn't be surprised if we find other missing / murdered people within a remarkable radius of where GL has been known to travel and camp

When I posted last about campsite spot argument possibly as LE suggested I was actually thinking of what you are suggesting here. I wouldn't be surprised either. Reminds me of the possible "Smiley Face Killers" sort of thing but a single individual here (?). The more remote the more chances to not be discovered and tracks covered. The fire in the tent makes me think maybe he sat in those chairs, possibly. Maybe the deer carcasses were a rouse to throw LE off. I wonder if Russel let the perp. get close and was friendly, unknowingly what was about to take place? That would be heartwrenching IMO. Russell would have tried to calm a fight he wouldn't have engaged in angering. Maybe he lured them away from the campsite, but then he would have to come back for the sleeping bags. I'm sorry I can't see this as anything but an act of barbarity as in Serial killer type of way. I've pondered the possible scenarios but with Russel's character it just doesn't happen IMO. The drone footage can be erased so Russel would have said so and thus the end of the conflict and continue camping peacefully. Russell could have shown the perp that he was erasing footage so I can't see anything else but barbarity, here. Its so very sad this scenario but I think this is it.

 

[Theodora]

He looks debauched. Maybe not the sex but drugs and alcohol.

I thought he looked like a big eater who's also a big drinker. I didn't think he looked debauched or a drug taker.

 

[ScottToorak]

Regarding Daily Mail story this morning (which I now think is wrong) indicating that GL disclosed where 2 x bodies are buried:

If GL has co-operated with Police - what was his incentive?
They have charged him with 2 x Murder not 2 x manslaughter. Not even 1 Murder and 1 Manslaughter.
GL is 55 years old so even with 2 x Manslaughter would be looking at 40 years. Looking at life behind bars anyway.
At the press conference Police said it was very complicated and may take years to sort out etc.

This does not sound like GL is giving them info to assist or it would be more simple. Least of all giving Police the most important info that they need (where Russell and Carol are) but not disclosing where the trailer is?

I do think the reporter at the Daily Mail jumped the gun and led us up the wrong path this morning.

I'm sticking with my theory that he has told them nothing and made no admissions. If they don't find bodies or the trailer this case could be 100% circumstantial and hard to prove?

Bail was probably 1000/1 against anyway so Lawyer advised him not to bother applying this morning because of the serious charges that he is facing and the prosecution being given more time to put all of the evidence together due to the complicated and rare nature of this case?

AGree 100%

 

[5W's]

He looks debauched. Maybe not the sex but drugs and alcohol.

I don't know that expression. Not accusing him of anything here at all. I guess I can say it creeps me out.

 

[idiom5341]

Welcome to Websleuths Penny

From what I read RH & CC were in a long term affair/relationship, many years .... nothing is ever secret from everyone.

My thoughts are that someone or more than one person that was close to either RH or CC was in the know about their relationship and when their burnt out campsite was discovered it would not have taken long for people who knew about their relationship offered the information to police that RH was not camping alone

IMO

 

[5W's]

Melbourne Remand Centre in Protection Unit

In protection unit I wonder if a suicide risk. Maybe there's other things to investigate and the police will find out which will lead to more charges from years past so that's why he's in that unit. IMO.

 

[idiom5341]

When she was missing could they have pinged her phone and his?

 

[5W's]

Melbourne Remand Centre in Protection Unit

In protection unit I wonder if a suicide risk. Maybe there's other things to investigate and the police will find out which will lead to more charges from years past so that's why he's in that unit. IMO. I wonder why it may take them many years to investigate, possibly due to other possible victims? MOO.