GUILTY Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #3

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  1. Fuskier

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    FYI
    http://www.canowindranews.com.au/story/3882275/steph-scott-murder-case-heads-to-supreme-court/?cs=12

    Steph Scott murder case heads to Supreme Court
    BY MONIQUE PATTERSON AND HANNAH HIGGINS
    May 2, 2016, 11:42 a.m.

    Marcus Stanford’s case was mentioned in Griffith District Court on Monday. BUT ... there was some confusion about where Marcus was being held, with a suggestion that he had been transferred to Junee from Sydney and would be available to appear on Monday... :doh:

    However, he has now been included on the arraignment list in the Supreme Court on Friday 6th May 2016.
     
  3. Trooper

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    http://www.centralwesterndaily.com....e-scott-murder-case-heading-to-supreme-court/

    well..both are heading to the Supreme Court.. months away for that, the trial, that is.. this Friday is the formal reading of the crime, and the charges, and who is charged with what in relation to the death of Stephanie. Who is to be representing either or both Stanfords, ( surely not one barrister for the both, but.. ) .. . . it seems ,still, that their crimes have not been bifurcated.. separated from each other, it appears that some elements are still tied together, even though Marcus has pleaded guilty to some charges already, but not sentenced for these, as far as I can tell. All this filigree and embroidery is deeply fascinating to me, but it must be bloody agony to her mum and dad and the fiancé. I am also presuming that both of them are incarcerated in the Sydney Remand centre, not at Griffith or/and Junee. .

    'He had a beard and appeared more robust than his brother.' a quote in reference to Marcus's appearance.. robust.. an odd descriptor, but significant, I think. It is possible that Vincent is ill, physically, psychologically, and more, and the effects are starting to show ... and significant that Marcus is not at all fazed, and appears robust.. .
     
  4. Eloise

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    This is why I think the old adage "rape is about power not sex" is no longer applicable in an age where violent hardcore pornography is just a click away. I think it most certainly often IS about sex, very very warped ideas about sex and consent and misogyny.
     
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    http://www.irrigator.com.au/story/3881550/brothers-to-face-charges/?cs=1524

    THE TWIN brothers charged in relation to the murder of Leeton school teacher Stephanie Scott will appear in the Supreme Court on Friday...
    Marcus Stanford’s case was mentioned in Griffith District Court on Monday, but there was some confusion about where Marcus was being held, with a suggestion that he had been transferred to Junee from Sydney ... He has now been included on the arraignment list in the Supreme Court on Friday...
     
  6. Fuskier

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    FYI
    Update:

    https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....ate%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%7D%7D

    NSW court lists
    (last refreshed at 10:46am 03 May 2016)

    06 May 9:30 am 2015/00167544 R v Marcus Stanford Criminal Supreme Court Arraignment
    Justice P Johnson Supreme Court Sydney Law Courts BuildingCourt 13A Queens Square Sydney 32

    06 May 10:00 am 2015/00104505 R v VINCENT STANFORD Criminal Supreme Court Arraignment
    Justice P Johnson Supreme Court Sydney Law Courts Building Court 13A Queens Square Sydney 32

    So, it now appears that both Vincent and Marcus will appear before the same Justice.
    Marcus at 9.30am and Vincent at 10.00am.
     
  7. Fuskier

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    FYI

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r/news-story/54c12c6e1f4438dea52d43a4607bf641

    Twin brothers front court over bride-to-be Stephanie Scott’s murder
    by EAN HIGGINS

    Re: Vincent Stanford:
    According to new material presented before The Court i.e. voluminous briefs of evidence including alleged email purchase receipts for a training sword, “flexicuffs”, Viagra, pornography, confirmation for “F..kDate membership’’ and an email with an enquiry about legcuffs.
    The catalogue of the brief of evidence includes myriad witness statements, phone and Facebook conversations, the alleged email purchases, which included cleaning materials, forensic statements and what is described as “school alarm activity.”

    Magistrate Thompson said "that having read the fact-sheet summary of a 16-volume brief of evidence, she believed a jury would be capable of finding Vincent Stanford guilty beyond reasonable doubt of an indictable offence" ... including sexual assault, deprivation of liberty and murder.
    Magistrate Katherine Thompson committed Stanford to stand trial for the sexual assault and murder of Scott, to appear in the NSW Supreme Court on May 6
     
  8. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Thank you for the updates Fuskier.
     
  9. Fuskier

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    Hi TGY. :seeya: You're welcome.
    Hopefully, Justice will be delivered for Stephanie, her fiance, family, friends, colleagues and local community today. :candle:
    Although some details of the case have been suppressed due to their distressing nature, we may learn some more today.
     
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    ADJOURNED

    Kelly Fedor ‏@KellyFedor 3m3 minutes ago
    The case against Stephanie Scott's alleged killer, Vincent Stanford adjourned until July. @9NewsSyd

    Kelly Fedor ‏@KellyFedor 4m4 minutes ago
    Barrister for Stephanie Scott's alleged killer says they're waiting for reports which "will have a bearing" on how he pleads. @9NewsSyd
     
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    http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...a/news-story/63ac936e4fc5db6aad18d4b8a9c20021

    breaking news
    Stanford's lawyers seek more time
    By Miranda Forster
    AAP
    27 MINUTES AGO, MAY 6, 2016

    Murder accused Vincent Stanford and his twin brother Marcus Stanford appeared separately by video link in the NSW Supreme Court on Friday... Both cases were adjourned until July.

    Vincent Stanford's lawyer requested time to consider two reports - one of which is still outstanding - that he said would have a bearing on how his client would plead.
    The request was unopposed by the crown and granted by Justice Peter Johnson...
     
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    http://www.irrigator.com.au/story/3892934/stephs-case-painful-wait/?cs=1524

    Steph’s case: painful wait
    Arraignment of Vincent Stanford charged with murdering Stephanie Scott stood over until July 1.
    May 6, 2016, 4 p.m.

    The accused,Vincent Stanford, was listed for arraignment in the Supreme Court in Sydney on Friday, but the matter did not proceed as expected. At arraignment, Vincent Stanford will enter a plea to charges of murder and aggravated sexual assault.

    His legal team has flagged the possibility of a mental health defence.
    It has obtained medical material from the Netherlands, where the Stanfords lived for 10 years before moving back to Australia in 2014.

    The arraignment of Stanford’s twin brother, Marcus, was also put back until July 1. Police allege he dumped incriminating evidence. Marcus Stanford has pleaded guilty in the Local Court to being an accessory after the fact of murder.
     
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    As predicted, his legal team is going for a mental health defence and has now obtained the necessary medical material from the Netherlands.
     
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    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...a/news-story/33363b71d88a88f5c1e537d8b7164eb1

    Vincent Stanford: Stephanie Scott’s accused killer yet to enter plea
    May 6, 2016 12:34pm
    by Amy Dale, Chief Court Reporter, The Daily Telegraph.

    Twins Vincent and Marcus Stanford both appeared in the NSW Supreme Court this morning on videolink from separate jails.

    The Supreme Court heard today that setting a date for Marcus Stanford to be sentenced hinges on developments with the case against his twin.

    The counsel for Vincent Stanford told Justice Peter Johnson “there is outstanding a report ...[that and a second report] will have a bearing on the way this man pleads.”

    The sentencing date of Marcus Stanford can be fixed “once the position on the second matter [Vincent Stanford] is confirmed,” the court heard...
     
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    It is highly likely that the only defence possible is a mental health one considering the crime and it's subsequent actions.. the bit I doubt, with respect, is that his defence has now obtained the necessary medical materiel from the Netherlands.. it is precisely because they haven't, that the trial has again been moved forward.

    The difficulty with any opinion in regard to Vincents mental health that a Dutch Doctor can attest to, is that it must be subjected to cross examination, and inevitably , put before a jury. It is highly unlikely that an Australian court will accept any opinion in regard to Vincent's health at 9 years of age, when it is supposed he attended a medical officer in regard to his behavioural problems, without an opposing point of view forwarded by the prosecution. Or more likely, a motion to dismiss due to irrelevancy. Unless Vincent was under constant and regular medical observation and rehabilitation, plus medical treatment throughout his sojourn in Holland, and then passed onto an Australian doctor for continuing treatment here in AU , of course. ( There is no reason this wouldn't be done, under the national health regime in Holland and the Health Scheme in Australia. Vincent's treatment would be covered entirely in both countries ) But there has been no mention of Vincent seeking, or receiving treatment for any mental disorder here in AU. Which is not to say there hasn't been, merely to point out no one has mentioned it, and certainly not his solicitor at his first appearance before the court in Griffith , NSW.

    It seems, therefore, that a lot of reliance by the defence is being placed on this 'letter ' apparently of a medical nature, that has taken considerable time to even begin it's long journey to Australia ( in the year 2016) ... According to the defence, the contents of this letter have a major bearing , even the only bearing , on what Vincent will plead to. Guilty or Not guilty of the murder. Obviously, the letter will be about mitigating factors that intend to point to the inability of Vincent to understand the rightness or wrongness of his actions. . no more, and no less. That is all it comes down to. He can be afflicted with raging depression, or any sort of psychosis, but the bottom line will be could he tell the difference between right and wrong? .

    The factors that point somewhat to Vincent's capacity to discern this is right there in his actions after the murder ( although all those web sites and enquiries are major stuff PRE the crime).. What motivated Vincent to take the body up to Cocoparra ?.. had to be a distinct realisation of the wrongness of his situation. It took a lot of hard work and time to attempt to burn Stephanies body, and all in the shadow of being open to discovery , then having to get back home, etc.. all these actions, in the psychological spectrum confirm that Vincent knew well that he had to take action to hide his previous action. .

    So I am not convinced that the 'letter from Holland' is going to go any distance in providing a basis for a plea of mental impairment.. It is possible, of course, but I see it as a highly unlikely conclusion to draw. His employer was satisfied with Vincent's work ethic and capacity and seemingly was unaware of any psychological illness in Vincent, and then there is the question to ask, if Vincent did have some impairment, that made him dangerous and unpredictable around females, why did his mother and older brother not speak up and prevent him from working in a rural school?
     
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    Yes your comments make sense. It therefore seems as if his Defence is clutching at straws. IMO Vincent's behaviour could have been either ignored or he has been neglected - needing help but nobody got it for him.
     
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    I agree with you both, Trooper and Estelle.

    From what I have read of Vincent's time in the Netherlands, it would seem he was ignored/neglected somewhat. The couple he worked for in the Netherlands had to teach him how to groom himself, etc. I also recall the man he was working for stating that Vincent needed someone guiding him through pretty much every step of a task in order to get it done.

    Trooper raises an interesting point with the mental health defence as well; obviously there was some awareness on Vincent's part that he'd done the wrong thing, hence the cover-up. Plus the evidence that has been hinted at so far suggests pre-meditation on Vincent's behalf.

    Guess we'll have to see how it plays out. What an awful case.
     
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