Australia Australia - Tamam Shud Case - Male, Dec 1948

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ud-Case-Male-Dec-1948&p=13191076#post13191076

    George Marshall's wife also committed suicide, apparently, source not yet confirmed.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ud-Case-Male-Dec-1948&p=13191177#post13191177

    Jessica nee Harkness and petty criminal, Prosper Thomson, can both be linked to Sydney, Mentone and Glenelg which are all places in three different states, Australia. Both also resided sometime in the Australian state of Queensland.

    Prosper Thomson's wife, Queenie, survived a plane accident in Queensland not long before her husband, Prosper (a motor vehicle enthusiast) and her were divorced. Jessica nee Harkness from Sydney followed Prosper to Glenelg with Jessica doing so via her parent's residence in Mentone. Mentone is where Prosper and Queenie resided before moving to Queensland.

    Alf Boxall residing in Sydney is somehow involved.
     
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    A woo-woo magazine for people who don't mind entertaining dangerous delusions such as locating missing persons via a dream.
     
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    Mangnoson (d. June 1949)
    Keith and son, Clive, missing 4 days. Largs Bay 12 miles (20 kilometres) from Somerton Beach. Son found dead in a sack. Cause of death unknown. Determined to be not natural death. Stomach contents sent for further analysis. Father found unconscious, nearby, sent to Parkside Mental Hospital. Jessica nee Harkness (nurse) still resides in nearby Glenelg and at some stage works at mental hospital. According to Ms Roma Mangnoson, her husband believed the "unknown man" to be Carl Thompsen with whom he had worked in Renmark, 1939.
     
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    [Yep. Agreed. Too much testosterone and conflicting agendas have marred my last two posts re: this case.]
     
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    Who are you agreeing with, ad rem?!
     
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    The cypher has been worked on by current technologies and it still hasn't been broken. One of the reasons stated is that it's too short to be able through algorithms. Apparently, they use the number of times each letter is used to determine what letter it actually stands for.
     
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    Might I be agreeing with you?
     
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    In G.M Feltus' book, the Unknown Man, he mentions "Tessie" (aka: Jessica nee Harkness) as lying by saying she was already married to Prestige Johnson and has Prestige moving in with Jessica. Yet, the Wikipedia entry on Taman Shud case, and elsewhere, has Jessica nee Harkness as marrying Prosper McTaggart Thomson and that he was already established in Adelaide when Jessica moved in with him.
     
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    I'm of the opinion this case has little to do with politics or espionage codes and is mostly to do with fraud and money, which, sadly leads some to murder.
     
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    Correction: to post #301 ( above) Jessica nee Harkness likely never in the Australian state, Queensland.
     
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    Re: Rubaiyat inscription by Jessica nee Harkness. She signed... JEstyn. Jestyn is a boy's name.
     
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    Feltus (2011 reprint) page 59: Largs Bay man had identified the deceased at the morgue as enlisting in 1940. Wikipedia entry Tamam Shud case "Possibly related cases" has suspicious death of KW Mangnoson, of Largs Bay, due to Mangnoson nominating the deceased as Carl Thompson. WW2roll.gov.au has a Carl Bernard Thompson (service number: NX60351) enlisting in 1940.
     
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    I seem to remember something about spies during the cold war and how they removed all the tags from the clothes they were wearing. But I'm not sure if that was true. If you look at his face though, he strikes me as being eastern european, having grown up with people from that region. The "code" might be contextual. The more I look at it, the more it looks like today's txt abreviations (eg LOL etc.) In the second line that has been struck through if the last letter had been a B then it could stand for, amongst other things, MLIAO"b" My Life Is An Open Book. Perhaps he didn't like this and that's why it's been struck out. All supposition of course, but another way to look at it.
     
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    The Advertiser (Adelaide, South Australia) 22 June 1949. Page 2.


    Curious Aspects of Unsolved Beach Mystery


    The other event, which has been advanced as having a possible association with the Somerton mystery, was the report that Mrs Roma Mangnoson, of Largs Bay North, mother of the two-year-old boy whose tragic death in the sandhills near Largs a fortnight ago shocked Adelaide, had been the victim of terrorisation by a masked man.

    Mrs Mangnoson told a reporter from "The Advertiser" yesterday that she had been almost ran down by a battered cream car in Cheapside street, Largs Bay North on Saturday. "The car stopped and a man with a khaki handkerchief over his face told me to 'keep away from the police, or else.'" she said. A man has twice been seen lurking near the house in the last few days.


    The Acting Mayor of Port Adelaide (Mr A.H. Curtis) has also been threatened with "an accident" if he "stuck his nose into the Mangnoson affair" in three anonymous telephone calls since Sunday.


    Mrs Mangnoson said yesterday that it was possible that the incidents could be related to the Somerton body, which her husband had unsuccessfully tried to identify. "My husband thought that he had worked with the man at Renmark." she said. "When he came home after seeing the body at the morgue he was so upset that he could hardly eat his tea."

    Mrs Mangnoson said that the only occupants of the house beside herself were her mother, Mrs S.M. Mclntyre, 57, her sister. Mrs J. Lockard, 23, and Mrs Lockard's two-month-old baby. A man had shouted in the doorway on Thursday night, and since then they had been afraid to cross 20 ft. of open ground between the kitchen and the bedrooms.


    The secretary of Largs North Progress Association (Mr J.M. Gower) has also received a telephone call telling him that Mrs Mangnoson would meet with an accident.


    Detective L. Bond, of Port Adelaide, who is in charge of police investigations, believes the terrorist to be a crank. Several months ago, he said, the same man had frightened a young woman in a nearby district who had also lost her husband in tragic circumstances.


    Another tragic parallel between the Largs and Somerton tragedies, pointed out yesterday was that the cause of death of Clive Mangnoson, like that of the Somerton victim, who lies in West Terrace Cemetery beneath the starkly lettered headstone "Unknown Man." is still undetermined, although it was known that it was not from natural causes.


    Note that the above article has been cut/pasted from the Trove .nla .gov .au website. I have done some light editing to remove typos and rearrange from newspaper column format. There was no journalist name that I could find to credit the above article to and so and I'm open to correction.


    Re: the underline above. I inserted it.

    What are the chances the deceased, re: underlined, also served in a military-related capacity?
     
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    The Unknown Man by GM Feltus. 2011 reprint. Page 54.


    On 12 December, 1948, A lady from Salisbury (South Australia* or Victoria*) stated the deceased Somerton Man looked like her husband. They were married 7 years earlier in Sydney. She hadn't seen him for 22 months. She was from Melbourne. He was in the army and left her once before. He used an alias (Keane*) and was apparently in the habit of removing all the labels from his clothes. He was also a chain smoker. She supposedly agreed to view the body.


    NB*: I have inserted the (South Australia* or Victoria*) and (Keane*).


    Re: my proposal that the Somerton Man is Carl Bernard Thompsen. Under his service record his next of kin is a Winifred Thompsen.

    Subsequent research took me via Nick Pelling's Cypher Mysteries website which linked me back onto Trove

    nla gov au.


    There was a Winifred L Williams, of Renmark, who was engaged to Keith W Mangnoson, of Alma, announced on Thursday 7 March, 1940, in the Murray Pioneer and Australian River Record, page 11, Family Notices.


    That's highly likely the same KW Mangnoson that almost died (to correct an earlier post of mine) as a result of claiming to be able to identify the Somerton Man as Carl Thompsen and his friend. They were both once engaged to the same lady.
     
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    Wow! Then.....Mr. Thompson could be our Man!!!
     
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    Well worth a visit is - theunknownman com (au) - website. Copies of the true account of the police investigation may still be available.
     
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    So why are they not looking into this? He's got to be Carl B. Thompsen and (we're considering a double life here) the love interest of Jessica Thompson who gave birth to the son (Robin) with the SAME--extremely rare and genetic, mind you--ear deformity!
     
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    This case is officially considered adjournment sine die. Robin Thomson's widow and daughter have both publically favored exhumation of the unknown man at Somerton for DNA testing so as to confirm. IMHO, they ought to privately examine for themselves the daughter's physical features - if they not done so already. Especially, distinctive calve muscle formation and toe shape, large hands, etc.

    Double life? Jessica. Sister. JEstyn. Johnson. Powell. Thomson. Teresa. Tess. Tessie. Tina. Jo. Ellen. Harkness. Her every contact with police is to fib. Cover. Stall. Deflect the course of justice.

    Carl B. Thompson, I say, was an ex-WWII army man who continued to engage in the espionage tactic of dry clean in his civvy life so as to not draw attention to his wealth.
     
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