Australia Australia - Tamam Shud Case - Male, Dec 1948

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  1. petedavo.au

    petedavo.au Well-Known Member

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    I noticed on the price list of tobacco products for 1947 that some brands came only in tins of 100. Totally impracticable for taking with you about town. I used to have a pewter cigarette tin once that held 100. After filling it, I would take a few and fill an old cigarette packet for going out, until I bought a pocket tin that could fit 10 down at the boot menders. Army Club only came in packets of 10. It may of been a convenient size for someone who's cigarettes usually only came in tins.
     

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    We need a code breaker.
     

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    Transients without money will pick up or bum whatever cigarettes they can find.
     
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  5. Hathor16

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    Sorry if this has been asked and answered but what about the book? Apparently no exact copy of that particular printing exits. Another man "George Marshall" died in Australia with a seventh edition of Khayyam’s poems, there were only 5 editions printed by that publisher. So neither of those books should exist. Random coincidence but he (George) was jewish, did I read that Jestyn was buried in a jewish cemetery though she wasn't jewish?
     
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    weird to say-but whenever I read the first line-it says "We are going aboard'...
     
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  7. dogperson

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    The Somerton man was missing his top lateral incisors. I've done some googling on this and while the lateral incisors are the most common teeth to be genetically missing, the condition itself is not what would be called common. About 2% of the world population has genetically missing top lateral incisors. (In many of these cases, the missing teeth occur in people with Down's Syndrome and other syndromes which would have been obvious in the person's appearance. Somerton man didn't look like he had any obvious genetic syndromes.) I understand that "Jestyn's" son Robin also was missing these teeth. If only about 2% of the population has this anomaly, and if many of that 2% have Down's Syndrome and various other genetic syndromes, then if the Somerton man (who didn't appear to have any obvious syndromes) and Robin both had this same anomaly (Robin not being afflicted with any known genetic syndromes), then it seems quite likely that the theory is true that Robin was the Somerton man's son.
     
  8. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Somerton Man
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    Sex
    Male
    Race White
    Location Somerton, Australia
    Found 1 December 1948
    Unidentified for 70 years
    Postmortem interval 24 hours
    Body condition Recognizable face
    Age approximation 40 - 45
    Height approximation 180 cm (5'11)
    Weight approximation 80 kilos (176 pounds)
    Cause of death Poisoning

    Somerton Man was discovered in Australia in 1948. It is sometimes referred to as the Tamam Shud case.

    The phrase "tamam shud" was found on a piece of paper in his pocket. The paper was not discovered until months after his death. It translates to "it is ended," a quote from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.

    His case was popular in Australia in the years immediately following his death.

    There has been heavy speculation that he may have been a spy during and immediately after World War II.

    Physical Description
    • He had mousy colored hair, mixed with red and grey.
    • He had grey eyes.
    • His calf muscles were pronounced.
    • He had three small scars on his left wrist.
    • He had a scar inside of his left elbow.
    • He had a scar on his upper left arm.
    Links

    Somerton Man

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/who-is-the-somerton-man
     
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  9. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Somerton Man as found on the beach.
     
  10. CoverMeCagney

    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to ask (as I'm sure I once knew this!) but what was his cause of death?
     
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    He is believed to have died of a drug or poison, but its not certain what kind of drug because it wasn't a traceable in his system.
     
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  12. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    An Army Club cigarette box was a small tin which would fit in one's coat pocket, and keep the cigarettes from being crushed.

    This man probably liked the tin and simply placed other cigarettes that he bought in the tin.

    Back around that time, plastics were also coming into popularity and plastic cigarette boxes were also made. Some of them were like cases in which you put in the whole pack, and others you would remove the cigarettes from the pack they came in and transfer them to the plastic case.

    This fellow was probably of the old school and preferred the tin.

    [​IMG]

    LINK:

    Vintage Army Club Cigarette Tin SANDHURST SIZE QUICK SHIP | eBay
     
  13. petedavo.au

    petedavo.au Well-Known Member

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    Part of RecordSearch unavailable
    Page 1: "Thomas Ambrose Keane"
    Page 8: "19 Abington St South Brisbane"
    (Address is non existent. There is a 19 Abingdon St Wooloongabba, but it was occupied by a Mr and Mrs J Richmond)
    Page 9: "HQ Query"
    Page 10: "Reference No, illegible containing available information sent to redacted on 27/3/1950 Request for individual particulars, current activities etc...." (Someone made an enquiry into his whereabouts and what he was up-to - quite likely part of the request by South Australian Police to identify the body found upon Somerton Beach in 1948)
    Page 11: "1945 July Member E.Y.L. 2/7/2 232 Vol.1 ODS Q illegible 7/7/45" (E.Y.L. = Eureka Youth League)
     
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    Why did Jessica Harkness tell the police everything she knew about Alfred Boxall yet nothing of the Somerton Man .. ?

    Why didn’t Harkness tell the police anything about the Somerton Man .. ?

    Why was she shocked to see his likeness .. ?

    Why wasn’t she categorised as a Person of Interest .. ?

    Why wasn’t there a follow up interview .. ?

    Why wasn’t Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks, Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, asked for an opinion on the condition of his feet .. ?

    Why was it left to Paul Lawson, Taxidermist .. ?

    Why were there no socks in his luggage when he carried spare ties, shirts, trousers, underpants, singlets, coat, shirt, comb … ?

    Why wasn’t Harkness asked by Feltus if her pet name was Jestyn .. ?

    Why was a box of Bryant and May matches later included in his possessions .. ?

    Why were two tickets left in his pocket when everything else that identified him was taken .. ?

    Why did these tickets lead back to the train station and the suitcase .. ?

    Why didn’t the police pursue this line of enquiry .. ?

    Why did they wait for Detective Brown to issue a general enquiry about missing luggage before the police visited the train station luggage office .. ?

    Why wasn’t anyone seen lying by the Childrens Home steps before 7:30 pm or after 8:30 pm on the night of November 30th .. ?

    Why has SA Major Crimes taken possession of the previously authorised DNA samples legally obtained by analyst Blackie .. ?

    Why, considering they took them over seventeen months ago, did it take so long for the seizure to be publicly known .. ?

    Why was Gordon Strapp’s Deposition ignored when it would have effected the inquest outcome .. ?

    Why do we take for granted that Littlemore’s question to Boxall about involvement in Intelligence related to his service with the Nackeroos .. ?

    Why do we believe the Nackeroos were involved in Intelligence when they were a commando style unit .. ?

    Why then did Boxall admit working with Intelligence .. ?

    Why didn’t Stuart Littlemore ask Boxall if he knew a man named Keane .. ?

    Why didn’t Littlemore ask Boxall if he knew Harkness as Jestyn .. ?

    Why was the identity of Chemist Freeman withheld for seventy years .. ?

    Why did the lividity on his upper body contradict the position his body was found in .. ?

    Why did Harkness, a young single woman, give Boxall, an older married man, a copy of the Rubaiyat prior to his overseas posting .. ?

    Why didn’t Boxall’s wife give him a copy of the Rubaiyat prior to his overseas posting .. ?

    Why would Harkness inscribe Boxall Verse 70 when her relationship with him was only occasional .. ?

    Why did he have Kensitas cigarettes in an Army Club packet .. ?

    Why was a handkerchief, singlet and a pair of jockey underpants added to his possessions .. ?

    Why wasn’t Harkness asked if she had any digitalis in the house .. ?

    Why wasn’t Prosper Thomson asked if he took digitalis for his haemoptysis .. ?

    Why didn’t the police pursue this line of enquiry .. ?

    Why was a half-smoked cigarette found on the body when he didn’t have the means to light it .. ?

    Why didn’t Stuart Littlemore ask Boxall if Harkness wrote the inscription .. ?

    Why weren’t the airlines checked for arrivals on or about November 30th .. ?

    Why wasn’t the Rubaiyat handed in before the inquest .. ?

    Why has the code defied generations of code-breakers .. ?

    Why were his feet ‘wedge shaped’ .. ?

    Why didn’t the ABC interviewer ask Kate Thomson if her mother’s pet name was Jestyn .. ?

    Why was the cigarette found on the body not retained as evidence .. ?

    Why was there no correspondence in his suitcase when he had enough envelopes to suggest he wrote regularly .. ?

    Why don’t we know who marked up the code .. ?

    Why was the code marked up .. ?

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    Why were there no scorch marks on his skin or clothing given he had a partly smoked cigarette wedged under his chin .. ?

    Why did he have such an exceptional physique .. ?

    Why didn’t the police take note of the number of second-hand, already inscribed Rubaiyats on the used book market .. ?



    Why wasn’t Jessica Harkness interviewed, for the record .. ?



    Why did Leane’s Deposition include a box of Bryant and May matches when his initial listing of possessions didn’t .. ?



    Why did Leane’s Deposition differ from Moss’ in regard to the box of Bryant and May matches .. ?

    Why did it take so long for the police to find out what Tamam Shud meant, seeing as the Rubaiyat was very popular in Australia .. ?



    Why was he stripped of all his identity .. ?



    Why are we accepting that Jessica was nicknamed Jestyn .. ?

    Why didn’t Feltus ask Harkness if she was known as Jestyn .. ?

    Why are we accepting that the man seen the night before was the same man seen in the morning .. ?

    Why were there abrasions on the knuckles of his right hand .. ?

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    Why would the police have thought a ship’s 3rd Officer would improvise his own tools .. ?

    Why did he have cigarettes and no matches .. ?

    Why has the witness statement that tells of a man carrying a man along the foreshore on the night of the 30th been withheld .. ?

    Why was the only officially released image of the code marked up .. ?

    Why isn’t there a photo of the unmarked code .. ?

    Why has SA Major Crimes held the DNA samples for over seventeen months .. ?

    Why was Senior Government Analyst Cowan unable to identify a black powder shaken from a brush that was part of a homemade set of tools taken from the man’s luggage .. ?

    Why does the thought occur that the man has already been identified by SA Major Crimes through their analysing of the samples taken from analyst Blackie .. ?

    And finally,

    .. why does the thought occur that the any official findings of the DNA samples will be suppressed .. ?

    tomsbytwo.com
     
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  15. TootsieFootsie

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    SA Government gives approval to dig up remains of unknown man

    One of Australia's most baffling mysteries is being re-examined, more than 70 years after the body of an unknown man found dead on a South Australian beach in 1948. The State's attorney general has granted conditional approval to exhume the remains of the so-called 'Somerton Man' hoping finally to figure out who he is and what happened.
     
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    Australian Story turns its attention to one of Australia’s most baffling unsolved mysteries.

    8pm on Monday 14 October on ABC.

    Australian Story: Oct 14
     
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    Regarding his missing incisor teeth - it is possible that they might have been removed in an effort to straighten out his other front teeth. This is sometimes done when there are too many teeth for the size of the mouth, and space is needed to reposition other teeth.

    There certainly are many unanswered questions regarding this mystery man.
     
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  19. flute4peace

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    Well this is a nice surprise!! I really hope they'll be able to finally solve the mystery.
     
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    flute4peace Well-Known Member

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    You know, I've always wondered why they didn't just test her DNA years ago. It's really interesting to read in the article that they have already been using it, as well as learning more about their love story.

    I'm excited about a podcast, thank you for posting it. Will definitely be listening!
     
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