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He waited 8 years to tell police about this?

It wasn't until he saw them digging around 8 years later that he told them this vital info? Why didn't he call them years ago? They searched this same area quite a few times over the years.

It also seems odd that they showed him the vehicle of interest. Shouldn't they have given him a few pictures of cars and let him pick out the one it looks like?

Showing a picture and saying 'did it look like this car?' ----Isn't that highly unusual if one is trying to get accurate information?
He waited until le had pics of the fgm car that was taken in to be forensically detailed. None of us knew about the drive until later in the investigation. How was this guy supposed to know about fgm car if it wasn’t shown or talked about at the time? If this investigation would have pointed in the right direction from the very beginning imo it would have been solved within a day or two. Especially with all the inconsistencies from day one up until now. Imo moo
 

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"The photobooks are his memories — they show you the innocence and love his sister and him have for each other," their foster mother told the NSW Coroner's Court."
Their foster mother FFC told also another story, namely that little W behaved violently towards his sister. She knew/knows, when to tell what and when to press on the tear ducts (of people in court). Of course non-idyll wasn't shown on photos. IMO
 
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He waited 8 years to tell police about this?

It wasn't until he saw them digging around 8 years later that he told them this vital info? Why didn't he call them years ago? They searched this same area quite a few times over the years.

It also seems odd that they showed him the vehicle of interest. Shouldn't they have given him a few pictures of cars and let him pick out the one it looks like?

Showing a picture and saying 'did it look like this car?' ----Isn't that highly unusual if one is trying to get accurate information?

There are a few more details in the article (I'm not sure if you can read it).

A detective took the man's details, but it isn't clear how much weight they will give his 'version of events'.
The DT doesn't know what vehicle pic the man was shown, but the DT did know FGM's car had been seized at least a week prior.
The man doesn't know who was driving.
The man said "It's only a theory". (Whatever that means.)
When the DT asked the police about relevance of this man's theory, a spokesperson said the stock answer of 'NSW Police couldn't comment on an ongoing investigation'.

It goes on to say that this tip is one of thousands the police have received from people who are trying to help.

 
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He waited until le had pics of the fgm car that was taken in to be forensically detailed. None of us knew about the drive until later in the investigation. How was this guy supposed to know about fgm car if it wasn’t shown or talked about at the time? If this investigation would have pointed in the right direction from the very beginning imo it would have been solved within a day or two. Especially with all the inconsistencies from day one up until now. Imo moo
ITA - how could LE have even ruled out the foster carers' without the public even knowing what car/s they drove - nobody could call in any suspicious behavior relating to them or the cars..
 

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ITA - how could LE have even ruled out the foster carers' without the public even knowing what car/s they drove - nobody could call in any suspicious behavior relating to them or the cars..
Yes Seeking justice, when the LE were relying so much on receiving helpful information from the Public, no wonder they received so many 'wild goose chases' from people trying to be helpful under the circumstances.

JMO - would seem that (apart from door-knocking in the immediate area in Kendall) LE were expecting people to use the 'red spiderman suit' as a guide to the Public contributing info (which Ronald Chapman did): Neighbour still certain he saw William Tyrrell on the day he vanished

The FFC said at the Inquest:

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother recalls seeing two cars the morning he disappeared
“I hear a roar and then I hear nothing,” she told the court.
She raced around the property, looking in every cupboard and every bush for a sign of his red Spiderman suit.”
 

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Yes Seeking justice, when the LE were relying so much on receiving helpful information from the Public, no wonder they received so many 'wild goose chases' from people trying to be helpful under the circumstances.

JMO - would seem that (apart from door-knocking in the immediate area in Kendall) LE were expecting people to use the 'red spiderman suit' as a guide to the Public contributing info (which Ronald Chapman did): Neighbour still certain he saw William Tyrrell on the day he vanished

The FFC said at the Inquest:

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother recalls seeing two cars the morning he disappeared
“I hear a roar and then I hear nothing,” she told the court.
She raced around the property, looking in every cupboard and every bush for a sign of his red Spiderman suit.”
It's strange that she "raced around the property, looking in every cupboard and every bush for a sign of his red Spiderman suit" yet the FGM was completely oblivious to all this going on as per her walkthrough statement. As frantic as the FM claims she was, she didn't alert her mother that he was missing. I would have thought that the FGM would have seen her racing around and looking under every bush, if the story was true. JMO
 

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I think there is definitely new evidence that has come to light ….

In September Mark Morri from the Daily Telegraph reported the following..

Paraphrased

A senior police officer has told The Daily Telegraph that a new investigation into William’s disappearance has uncovered clues previously not explored.

And understands the POI will be interviewed soon and confronted with the fresh information uncovered by investigators.

Thanks for all your most valuable thoughts & information SLouTh. I don’t have a subscription to TDT but reading these headlines previously, and again now in your linked article, gave me the ‘shivers’. It’s the first time I’ve seen a blatant statement of ‘suspect’: NSW Police have zeroed in on a new person of interest who they believe is responsible for the death and disappearance of William Tyrrell.
 

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He waited 8 years to tell police about this?

It wasn't until he saw them digging around 8 years later that he told them this vital info? Why didn't he call them years ago? They searched this same area quite a few times over the years.

It also seems odd that they showed him the vehicle of interest. Shouldn't they have given him a few pictures of cars and let him pick out the one it looks like?

Showing a picture and saying 'did it look like this car?' ----Isn't that highly unusual if one is trying to get accurate information?

IMO there can be any numbers of reasons that stop or delay someone coming forward, however isn’t the first time we’ve heard mention of something possibly being dumped / thrown from a car.
I recall us speculating very early on what it could be and even was it part of a vehicle.

They may be 2 seperate, unrelated & even irrelevant mentions, but interesting for me just the same ..
 

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Just going back to your pondering, I think this statement is also relevant …..


police launched a surprise 'high intensity' search of bushland around 800m from” FGM’s Benaroon Drive home. William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to lying and “Today police officers were seen returning to the house he vanished from. … Police dogs were also used to comb the area today… during today's media briefing Chief Superintendent Bennett made clear police were chasing a fresh lead, and that they were dealing with specifics. "
This is in response to evidence we've obtained in the course of the investigation," he said… The 18-month coronial inquest into William's disappearance in the NSW Coroners Court is yet to deliver its findings but, according to Chief Superintendent Bennett, it has proven pivotal in driving today's sudden development.”


Police 'looking for remains' as new William Tyrrell searches launched


This suggests to me that information gained from the Inquest has indeed been instrumental in the new direction that Police are taking …..

I also wonder if the Special Hotline set up by the Coroner resulted in any of this new evidence????

imo
William Tyrrell inquest adjourned over coronavirus, investigation goes on


the court today," counsel assisting the coroner Gerard Craddock, SC, said.

William, 3, disappeared from the front yard of his foster-grandmother's property in Benaroon Drive, in Kendall on the Mid North Coast, in September 2014.

The inquest so far has led to a new witness coming forward to police, he said.

Deputy state coroner Harriet Grahame said that there was nothing about William's disappearance that would make it a "cold case".
 

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ITA - how could LE have even ruled out the foster carers' without the public even knowing what car/s they drove - nobody could call in any suspicious behavior relating to them or the cars..

People did report suspicious behaviour by other cars though. So, why wouldn't this man report his sighting 8 years prior? Before he was inundated by media about William - or even during the inundation.
(Not that the police found anything there, anyway.)


3 instances I can think of right away, there may be more ....

There was the white car driving crazily with the driver pushing something down into the passenger footwell.
And the white vehicle that clipped a street sign.
And a person sitting in a white ute watching the police.

 
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I think there is definitely new evidence that has come to light ….

In September Mark Morri from the Daily Telegraph reported the following..

Paraphrased

A senior police officer has told The Daily Telegraph that a new investigation into William’s disappearance has uncovered clues previously not explored.

And understands the POI will be interviewed soon and confronted with the fresh information uncovered by investigators.

It’s possible that police sharing some details with the media was to stir up their target, and the fresh information wasn't as significant as imagined. Police intentionally putting snippets out there with the aim of generating conversation to be captured on surveillance devices, in the hope it would lead to significant evidence.

There’s been a highly planned strategy in play beginning with David Laidlaw appearing on the Sky episode, followed by the leak about a new POI, then police returning to Benaroon Drive and releasing photos and video on the anniversary. Then the pressure increased to a new intensity with the big search, NSW CC, AVO, assault charges laid etc.

All the while the fosters would’ve been under heavy surveillance, a huge investagative tactic that police were hoping would pay off. Whether it did or not time will tell, it doesn’t seem that they got the concrete evidence needed to lay charges over William’s disappearance. All IMO.
 

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People did report suspicious behaviour by other cars though. So, why wouldn't this man report his sighting 8 years prior? Before he was inundated by media about William - or even during the inundation.
(Not that the police found anything there, anyway.)


3 instances I can think of right away, there may be more ....

There was the white car driving crazily with the driver pushing something down into the passenger footwell.
And the white vehicle that clipped a street sign.
And a person sitting in a white ute watching the police.

How many suspicious cars were reported in the Benaroon / Batar Creek Road area between say 9:37am ( using the much discussed photo as proof of life) and say 10:10 or 10:30am ??? The time period when William went missing ?? The most critical time ….


I think most people have used the after 10:30 time frame to report suspicious activity from ….. as the triple 000 call said William was only missing 5 minutes and that had been looking for about 20minutes at 10:56am …


And people probably didn’t suspect that anything before that time was relevant ….



The 2 cars seen on Benaroon Drive by FM have been declared a “false memory” at the inquest, an unable to be accounted for by Police …

William Tyrrell’s foster mother could have created a “false memory” about seeing suspicious cars the day the young boy went missing in New South Wales six years ago, a memory expert has told an inquest.


The Teal car observed by FM appears to have been earlier in the morning when the children were riding bikes .…around 9:00am

There was also another vehicle described as a dark green/greyish coloured sedan police are interested in.
The vehicle drove past Benaroon Drive as William was riding his bike on the driveway around 9am and performed a u-turn.




The was a very early report of a 4WD seen speeding away from Benaroon Drive … Do we know the actual time of that sighting??? Or if it has ever been identified ???

The other vehicle in question is a four-wheel-drive that is said to have exited Benaroon Drive around the time William disappeared.


Remembering also that FF arrived home close to 10:30 via one end of Batar Creek Road, and all the way along Benaroon drive to number 48, but we have never heard that he saw any strange cars ???



And as far as we know that one 4WD has never been identified by the Police, nor do we know the exact time it was seen, nor an approximation..

I personally think Police are now looking at an earlier time frame and asking people to come forward if saw any thing that may be relevant …


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It’s possible that police sharing some details with the media was to stir up their target, and the fresh information wasn't as significant as imagined. Police intentionally putting snippets out there with the aim of generating conversation to be captured on surveillance devices, in the hope it would lead to significant evidence.

There’s been a highly planned strategy in play beginning with David Laidlaw appearing on the Sky episode, followed by the leak about a new POI, then police returning to Benaroon Drive and releasing photos and video on the anniversary. Then the pressure increased to a new intensity with the big search, NSW CC, AVO, assault charges laid etc.

All the while the fosters would’ve been under heavy surveillance, a huge investagative tactic that police were hoping would pay off. Whether it did or not time will tell, it doesn’t seem that they got the concrete evidence needed to lay charges over William’s disappearance. All IMO.
Yes agree it could definitely be a strategy …..

However, as Police have said there is a new witness, and they have new information, should the Coroner re-open the William’s Inquest, as some have reported, rather than just deliver her findings…. The the Police are going to have produce this new Witness and new information…. Are they not???


doesn’t seem that they got the concrete evidence needed to lay charges over William’s disappearance.
It certainly does appear this way Lemony and I do agree, however Police could be withholding vital evidence for some strategic reason??

Remember they didn’t release information about the 2 cars on Benaroon Drive for 12 months ….

Detective Inspector Jubelin it was a "tactical decision" to release the information about the vehicles almost a year since the incident.
"Any information released through the media is done for a strategic purpose," he said.
"We had information about the vehicles earlier, we followed that information up separately to seeking information from the public.
"So it's a tactical decision when we release that information."


It is certainly frustrating that after the Police Media Blitz in November that nothing has been said about William’s Case in 7 months! It is time for an update …. either they have something ?? Or they don’t have anything, as you suggested …

I just hope for William’s sake, that the Police are closer to finding him than we think, and solving the case …

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There’s been a highly planned strategy in play beginning with David Laidlaw appearing on the Sky episode
Was there much said in the Sky Program??? For those of us that have been unable to view it …. It it possible you could provide a brief summary of what it was about please? Mainly if there was anything new in the program??
TIA
 

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Theory about Batar Creek Road being an area of interest ….

In September 2021, Laidlaw has said that further information has since come to light, as part of our ongoing review of the materials gathered by investigators since the moment William went missing seven years ago,

He said the focus has been identifying if anything has been missed, or if there are any details – no matter how small – that need to be clarified.


Paraphrased from:
SEPTEMBER 12, 2021


Back in September 2014, Fehon said, "Today we are also canvassing people driving along the Batar Creek Road, who may have been coming along that route last Friday," he said.

"We're just seeing if they saw anything, if they saw any vehicle or person, suspicious or not suspicious."


Fri 19 Sep 2014, 9:56pm

Have Police found something in the William’s Case File from that “canvass of Batar Creek Road”, some small detail that had been missed previously ???

Something has to have triggered the Batar Creek search, ordered by the Coroner…. Just trying to think of possibilities from what we know of the case…

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I guess with the person coming forward at a rather late stage - they may have seen the grey mazda and a person on the shoulder of the road - stopped, inside or outside the car etc. But it might not have had much significance - especially if police are only saying report any suspicious cars.

If instead police said have you seen this car in this area. Like with the Victorian missing campers and the trailer, which had the photo and the area it was seen - to jog peoples memories it might have lead to more information possibly.

I think people would remember 2 cars racing down a street close together veering on the wrong side of the road more likely than just a grey mazda pulled over and a person - maybe taking a rest break.

But if the person sees police and diggers in the area years later in the area they did see the mazda you might recall the incident and it might seem more relevant. Maybe you saw the person getting into the back seat area, or carrying something over their shoulder etc. MOO So maybe more odd than suspicious.
 

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I feel with the FFC that this new allegations may reveal that she has slip ups under certain conditions. I am not excusing her or defending her.

I think it could point to her maybe being slack in monitoring William when he last jumped off the back patio and raced down the side of the property.

I am leaning to this being very close to 9.40 after the photo of him roaring and him being in full "tiger" mode.

I wonder if both the Foster GM and FFC just chose to let him let off steam unsupervised. Then when the FFC realised it was quite a while since they last checked on him she didn't want to own up to this lapse in judgement and stuck with it's only been a few minutes/5 minutes.

I wonder if the MFC text to her about his imminent return was the catalyst for her to check on William and then she even decided to say - "oh I thought he might have been with you" and that's where one of the " only 5 minutes ago" lines came into the story at the beginning when the MFC did his walk through.

Unfortunately it was more like 40-45 minutes. MOO
 

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I feel with the FFC that this new allegations may reveal that she has slip ups under certain conditions. I am not excusing her or defending her.

I think it could point to her maybe being slack in monitoring William when he last jumped off the back patio and raced down the side of the property.

I am leaning to this being very close to 9.40 after the photo of him roaring and him being in full "tiger" mode.

I wonder if both the Foster GM and FFC just chose to let him let off steam unsupervised. Then when the FFC realised it was quite a while since they last checked on him she didn't want to own up to this lapse in judgement and stuck with it's only been a few minutes/5 minutes.

I wonder if the MFC text to her about his imminent return was the catalyst for her to check on William and then she even decided to say - "oh I thought he might have been with you" and that's where one of the " only 5 minutes ago" lines came into the story at the beginning when the MFC did his walk through.

Unfortunately it was more like 40-45 minutes. MOO
Very early in their investigation into William’s disappearance:-
JMO -
LE were led on a 'merry dance' by the lies/concealments by the Fosters!

Someone knows something about missing boy: police
BBM:
“Inspector Paul Fehon said he could not understand why no trace of the young boy had been found.”

"In a way it's baffling that we haven't received any further leads considering the time that has passed since he went missing," Inspector Fehon said.

"The report of a young three year old playing in the backyard and then in the space of five minutes being found to be missing, of course the natural reaction was to search in the heavily dense bushland.

"We can only appeal for people out there, if human intervention took place, someone knows something."
 
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