Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

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Couldbe, I wrote JMO.

In this post, in your opinion, police could identify the edition FGM was reading, I agree with that assumption, only NOT with there being a discrepancy, where is your source there’s a discrepancy? I gave a reason why they could identify the paper, because they have the high resolution picture. JMO
JMO - LE may have been able to pick up a (any) discrepancy ..... not that we know they have....
 

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JMO - LE may have been able to pick up a (any) discrepancy ..... not that we know they have....

The fact that FD is not a POI is probably a good indication that the police have found no evidence that he is involved in William's disappearance.

Three SFR lead detectives (Rupp, Jubes, Laidlaw) have not placed him on the active POI list - despite investigating him via CCTV, interviews, receipt, listening devices, forensic examination of his vehicle (and I think his phone & data use).
 

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Not sure if anyone has ever noticed the huge bushy tree line that starts at the beginning of fgm’s driveway and runs back up to the house. It appears the trees block the direct view of the driveway particularly when entering the cal-de-sac end of Benaroon Drive. In other words a driver of a vehicle heading towards the fgm driveway wouldn’t be able to see if anyone was on the driveway until pulling into it.

When the kids were riding their bikes that morning Ffc and fgm? were standing closer to the house, L was on her bike half way down the driveway and W was already at the end of the driveway when L stops and says “mummy who’s that?”

It was also mentioned that tracking dogs and cadaver dogs detected Ws scent but only as far as the end of the driveway.

Didn’t L say something to the effect that the last time she saw W he was “running towards daddy’s car”.
Also the mention that L may have been the last person to see W alive

I have pics of the tree line from a few different angles but won’t post them as I know mods will most likely remove them
 

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When the MFC returned from his trip to Lakewood for his conference call, Pharmacy visit and newspaper collection, he just straight away bolted to search for William.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/p...e/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba

JMO - The question could be asked: when did he retrieve the newspaper that he purchased at around 10.25 am from his vehicle and give it to the FFGM?

That detail could have been checked by LE and cross-checked it with the newspaper that the FFGM was reading in those photos, and may have recorded a discrepancy in relation to that.
(The LE could have even been able to identify which edition of the newspaper was being read by her in those photos.) MOO
The fact that FD is not a POI is probably a good indication that the police have found no evidence that he is involved in William's disappearance.

Three SFR lead detectives (Rupp, Jubes, Laidlaw) have not placed him on the active POI list - despite investigating him via CCTV, interviews, receipt, listening devices, forensic examination of his vehicle (and I think his phone & data use).
JMO - In questioning when the MFC retrieved the newspaper and gave it to the FFGM, my post above was in regard to relating that timing to enable her to read it.
 

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JMO - In questioning when the MFC retrieved the newspaper and gave it to the FFGM, my post above was in regard to relating that timing to enable her to read it.

Who knows if FGM ever got to read that day's paper. For all we know it could have sat in FD's vehicle for quite some time. Or it might have been brought into the house with the prescription and his electronics - whenever they were brought inside.

It was said at the inquest that FGM was reading an old newspaper in the photos. The very fact that it was brought up at the inquest likely means that the police were way ahead of any thinking otherwise.

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Who knows if FGM ever got to read that day's paper. For all we know it could have sat in FD's vehicle for quite some time. Or it might have been brought into the house with the prescription and his electronics - whenever they were brought inside.

It was said at the inquest that FGM was reading an old newspaper in the photos. The very fact that it was brought up at the inquest likely means that the police were way ahead of any thinking otherwise.

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JMO - As you say SA : "It was said at the inquest that FGM was reading an old newspaper in the photos", I hadn't read that anywhere, but would have been more to the point to have declared: which Paper and the edition date. It may be recorded in the LE records.
 

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JMO - As you say SA : "It was said at the inquest that FGM was reading an old newspaper in the photos", I hadn't read that anywhere, but would have been more to the point to have declared: which Paper and the edition date. It may be recorded in the LE records.

Yes, in the police records. Along with all of the other evidence that FD was where he said he was, and when.
 

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Yes, in the police records. Along with all of the other evidence that FD was where he said he was, and when.
SA - I wasn't actually referring to evidence about where the FD was where he said he was and when....my posts were focussed on the newspaper(s), and any mention of MFC was briefly mentioned in relation to that.
 

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I understand and respect Websleuths rules. My intention was not to point the finger at the mfc as being a POI but rather to open a discussion about some of the discrepancies in his story that need clarifying.
JMO - There are a few Hearings still to be heard in relation to Charges of alleged actions by the MFC. I think they will be occurring in January or February 2023.
 

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JMO - There are a few Hearings still to be heard in relation to Charges of alleged actions by the MFC. I think they will be occurring in January or February 2023.
None of those relate to Williams disappearance so the victim friendly rules still remain.
 

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JMO - There are a few Hearings still to be heard in relation to Charges of alleged actions by the MFC. I think they will be occurring in January or February 2023.
Thanks Couldbe
 

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Sorry to say SthAussie but I don’t agree that mfc is not on the POI list in Ws case even though many have posted that his alibi location/phone calls have been checked and cleared.

There really hasn’t been much evidence about the so called proof other than a pharmacy receipt with a time stamp of 10:19am.

Mfc apparently took his laptop with him that morning for online conference call however in a statement to police he tells them that he has the phone number and call duration of this conference call on his mobile phone which apparently went for 39min. Why would mfc need to use his mobile phone for the conference call if he was making the call through the GoToMeeting App on his laptop?
He then goes on to tell police about other calls he had that morning one of which was a missed call at 9:45am which he eventually returned by using the voicemail prompts hence why his return call doesn’t show on his call list. He stated he missed the call due to being on another call. The return call was made by mfc whilst at the pharmacy filling a script around 10.19am. He then made another brief call on his way back to fgm house closer to 10:30am.
Can someone pls clarify what device mfc used to make his conference call? That needs clarification

Just because LE haven’t publicly stated mfc is a POI the fact is LE are not required by law to release information to the public on possible Persons of Interest. Have you seen the active POI list SthAussie?
Green x 2: I can't clarify but . . . Was he using GoToMeeting? There are several GoTo apps. Screen Sharing for Online Meetings & More | GoTo Connect (click Products menu for the range of apps). Perhaps one is better for face and voice while another is better for simultaneous access to stored files. But to get the combination, perhaps the best option at the time was to maintain two connections, one through the app and another that's an ordinary mobile call.

Red: I don't think we can say that the return call was made around 10:19. If his call associated with the conference lasted 39 minutes beginning 9:17, then it was over at 9:56, after which he made the return call and visited the pharmacy, finishing at the pharmacy at 10:19. After that I understand he made another business call while driving home, before his text to FFC at 10:30. (Previously I miscalculated that his conference would have ended at 9:46*, which gave him rather too much time for the pharmacy irrespective of whether he was on the phone at the same time.)

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Green x 2: I can't clarify but . . . Was he using GoToMeeting? There are several GoTo apps. Screen Sharing for Online Meetings & More | GoTo Connect (click Products menu for the range of apps). Perhaps one is better for face and voice while another is better for simultaneous access to stored files. But to get the combination, perhaps the best option at the time was to maintain two connections, one through the app and another that's an ordinary mobile call.

Red: I don't think we can say that the return call was made around 10:19. If his call associated with the conference lasted 39 minutes beginning 9:17, then it was over at 9:56, after which he made the return call and visited the pharmacy, finishing at the pharmacy at 10:19. After that I understand he made another business call while driving home, before his text to FFC at 10:30. (Previously I miscalculated that his conference would have ended at 9:46*, which gave him rather too much time for the pharmacy irrespective of whether he was on the phone at the same time.)

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Are these details of times of calls in a book or something? Is there a link?
 

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I think of little William often. I think there was a fatal accident that day and WT was disposed of, out of panic, knowing your future in foster care would probably be over. It’s just awful that those who know where he is have not owned up and let this little one Rest In Peace. All Moo of course
 

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Are these details of times of calls in a book or something? Is there a link?
The only time I've introduced to the exchange with Chrissy is 9:17 as the start time for the conference call. I believe I've seen it at least once in an MSM article. I have not seen it frequently, and after a lot of looking I can't find it now. That is partly why I've expressed myself provisionally ("if . . . then").
 

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I think of little William often. I think there was a fatal accident that day and WT was disposed of, out of panic, knowing your future in foster care would probably be over. It’s just awful that those who know where he is have not owned up and let this little one Rest In Peace. All Moo of course

I think some opportunist took the little guy.
The only accident was William was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
The difference with Daniel Morcombe and William is the monster had to convince Daniel to get into his car.
 

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I think some opportunist took the little guy.
The only accident was William was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
The difference with Daniel Morcombe and William is the monster had to convince Daniel to get into his car.
I sincerely hope that some evidence will be forthcoming (maybe via the $1M Reward for information) to solve this sad case.
 

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I sincerely hope that some evidence will be forthcoming (maybe via the $1M Reward for information) to solve this sad case.
Hope springs eternal, however if that $1 million hasn't yet flushed out an informant then I don't know what will.

As has been said here before, there may be a person with crucial information who is disinclined, for whatever reason, to take it to police while the subject of that information is still alive.
 

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The closest the police have to a confession is the deathbed confession by RP. He didn't seem to want $1M, I think he wanted peace.

I don't know how the Coroner is going to rule that out. No matter if people think it was a lucid confession or not. FA has no confirmed alibi for that morning, is a known liar, is a known perpetrator of children of all ages, was 'off air' phone-wise for a few days when William disappeared, and has wangled his way out of a murder conviction in the past.
Jubes says FA can't be placed in Kendall that morning. But he doesn't seem to be able to be not placed in Kendall either, as they say he has no valid alibi.

And then there is HS, who is also now deceased. Did she have any knowledge, see something, that might not have dawned on her at the time?

I think that there are loose ends in this case that might never be able to be cleared up satisfactorily.

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