Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #39

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  1. frogwell

    frogwell Well-Known Member

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    'Jesus Saves William Tyrrell' message was painted on tree AFTER geocache gamer left find | Daily Mail Online

    Daily Mail Australia exclusively revealed on Monday that NSW builder Bob Carnes had found the mysterious message 'Jesus Saves William Tyrrell' painted in red on the tree trunk in Middle Brother forest, just 10km from where William Tyrrell went missing, while driving through the forest last weekend.

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    However, the geocache gamer who left the objects in the tree informed Mr Carnes through friends that the tree was unpainted when he deposited the bottle in the trunk.

    He described 'the person that put [the message] on there' as 'very strange' and the fact that police still did not know who had written the message.


    So somewhere between the 1st and 8th of February 2016.
     
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  2. FromGermany

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    Re the helicopters and heavily armed officers:
    Until October 2015 the Stoccos were chased and searched for. Idk, when the painted stump was first discovered?
     
  3. Bohemian

    Bohemian Well-Known Member

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    From the Geocaching NSW press release:

    ‘The last geocacher to find the container did so on 13/1/2016 and they have relayed information that the spray paint was not there at the time [...]’
    Press Release: William Tyrrell Tree Stump Articles in Relation to Geocaching - Geocaching NSW Incorporated - Promoting Geocaching in New South Wales


    So the graffiti was added some time after 13/1/2016 when the geocacher said it wasn’t there and before the weekend of the 6-7/2/2016 when it was discovered by Mr Carnes:

    Daily Mail Australia exclusively revealed on Monday [8/2/2016] that NSW builder Bob Carnes had found the mysterious message 'Jesus Saves William Tyrrell' painted in red on the tree trunk in Middle Brother forest, just 10km from where William Tyrrell went missing, while driving through the forest last weekend [6-7/2/2016].’
    'Jesus Saves William Tyrrell' message was painted on tree AFTER geocache gamer left find | Daily Mail Online
    (published 10 February 2016)

    Also reported in the DM article:

    ‘NSW Police told Daily Mail Australia that the painted message and the objects may be a type of shrine to the missing toddler rather than a clue left by William's abductors.’
     
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  4. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Well, some of us feel pretty sure that William is out there in the forests somewhere. So if it was done as a shrine, it may be the only marker that the little guy has in that region ... unless/until he is one day found.
     
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    I’m sceptical re. some of the reported details. It would be rare for more than one helicopter to be flying in the same area IMO And given that this is a very high profile case I would expect to see at least one photo if the police activity was as dramatic as described in the DT article, but there was nothing. I tend to think the helicopter was in the area only briefly, flying over the area as part of the journey, returning from a job or training exercise.

    Dawn drug raids involving a helicopter were carried out on the Central Coast a few days later - perhaps they were preparing for that.
     
  6. frogwell

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    We were speculating on here about WT maybe being in Kendall cemetery for various reasons, a number of years ago, then locals from the area, posted on here that a police helicopter had been hovering over the cemetery within the week we were discussing the possibilities. It wasn't reported in the MSm.
     
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    Stoccos? don’t know what one is... ? ?
     
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    But it’s not like it’s an evil message or anything. The ‘saves’ is bit is odd.
     
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    Yes the article is a bit flamboyant (heavily armed police??). Although - in those sexy blue outfits one can get distracted & simply not remember what they were armed with lol ;) It was very quiet too, the whole incident. Sydney police choppers regularly fly up this way (past william’ then) as well. A lot of Mary j up here.
     
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    For the sake of accuracy, the paint used on the tree stump was reported as being red in the original DM article (published 8/2/2016):

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    ‘Painted on the tree trunk in red is the message: 'Jesus Saves William Tyrrell' [...]’
    NSW police investigate William Tyrrell shrine found 12km away from where he was last seen | Daily Mail Online


    Whether the colour of the paint makes a difference as to the industries it’s used in, I’m not sure. I have read that it is used by forestry workers to mark trees to either be harvested or left, or in linemarking for landscaping and construction; for example.

    In any case, I suspect samples of the paint would have been taken for analysis by Forensic Services. They would probably have been able to trace the make and even batch number of the paint used:

    Paint as a Evidence in a Forensic Investigation | Actforlibraries.org
     
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    @iailwa I think you posted earlier about criminals’ ‘awareness spaces’.

    Anyway, I was reading about Jessica Ridgeway, a 10-year-old girl who was abducted and murdered in the US, and the subject was raised in the article, ie:

    ‘In the vast majority of child abduction murders, as well as other crimes, researchers have found that the perpetrator lives within his awareness space, commits his crimes close to home and within that awareness space, and disposes of his victims and other evidence at the outer edges of the awareness space, generally along the space’s transportation corridors.

    This is because when it comes to operating in our comfort zones, criminals, even sociopaths who murder children, have been found to be just like the rest of us. We tend to operate within the areas that we know best.’

    https://www.boulderweekly.com/news/jessica-ridgeway-killerrsquos-lsquoawareness-spacersquo-may-lead-to-clues/


    I wonder if Batar Creek Road was seen as a ‘transportation corridor’ for William’s abductor by SFR?
     
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  12. iailwa

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    Yes that's the kinda of thing I'm talking about BO - altho not as eloquent as u put it ;) There's been a fair amount of activity wrt to police & Batar Creek rd, even in the beginning, and of course the recent search near stoney creek Rd & cedar loggers lane (? spelling from memory MOO).

    BTW nice way of translating stats into a more 'human comfort' thanks, & yes I totally agree - it seems like a good corridor. I for one have never heard much about a north or northwest avenue - leaving Kendall - IIRC. Although, it doesn't mean the police haven't looked that way. But it seems their interest lies in Batar Creek proper & Batar Creek Rd lately.

    If someone did escape through the "dead end" at Benaroon, then they can end up at Batar creek rd, but also - they could head north. Also if they headed out the other way. But why are/were the cops so interested in the little patch down on Batar creek rd.... did someone of interest stop there briefly? The police didn't cover a large area IIRC, just a little into the bushland - as if someone didn't stay long enough to wander far IMO...
     
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    Gino and Mark, father and son, for 8 years on the run. Murder, arson, theft, .... now "model prisoners".
     
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  14. Blues Clues

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    The Stoccos weren't in the Mid North Coast / Kendall area.

    They were captured 28th Oct 2015

    The writing Jesus Saves William Tyrrell was reported 7th Feb 2016

    Timeline: The hunt for Gino and Mark Stocco
     
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    I think there is a possibility that William was initially dumped around the Batar Creek road area & his remains later moved back somewhere around the search zone to make it look like he had actually wandered off into the bush - probably much later on to allow for exposure to destroy evidence of cause of death etc & when the area was not crawling with people looking for William anymore.
     
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    How did you narrow the reporting of the tree stump graffiti down to 7/2/2016, Blue? Was the date it was found mentioned in MSM somewhere and I missed it?
     
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    Sorry I should have provided the link.

    “About 6.30pm yesterday (Sunday 7 February 2016), a member of the public contacted police after a reference to William Tyrrell was found painted on a tree in a state forest near Stewart’s River, about 10km south of Kendall,” NSW Police said via a statement.

    We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
     
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    Thanks Blue. So he must’ve reported it as soon as he found it. Good on him.
     
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    In Kendall, there is a sign pointing towards Batar Creek road, with "riding for the disabled" and "Bird Tree" printed. From Batar creek road, you can access the Bird Tree picnic area in the national park. There is also access to Bird Tree from the pacific high way, maybe 10km south of the Kew turn off. There is a very accessible walking track from really close to the house where William disappeared, straight up to the cemetery. From the car park, you could be a few blocks from the road to Comboyne, then onto B56- straight up to Walcha- then onto Bucketts way, New England Highway.
     
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