Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #64

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  1. Green beans

    Green beans Well-Known Member

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    If you have been summonsed and you don't attend court or apply to the coroner for a video link, the coroner may issue a warrant to arrest and order that person be brought to the Court.

    I can’t see why the coroner would exempt the fm & FD from the inquest for re-questioning their accounts for the day William went missing. I actually can’t think of a reason she would. It’s in her interests to do just this.
     
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    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    I love investigative work like this .. so impressive when from a few fibres they can trace something all the way back to a POI.
     
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    Maybe it has already been said, but I'd also like emphasise the conflation of facts and fiction in order to tell an untrue story allows the storyteller to draw on actual facts to "legitimise" the overall story, bolstering their confidence. FFC provides an exceptional amount of detail pre-WT's disappearance.

    I'm so drawn to the point in the story where WT walks away from the decking whilst roaring. I believe that happened. Seem like after that he either 1) was kidnapped, 2) climbed onto the verandah and suffered a fatal fall, or 3) reprimanded for wandering off which was met with a fatal outcome.

    Thank you for that correction. I had been visually struggling with the layout of FFGM house, especially with the bend in Benaroon, along with the way Google Maps distorts the visuals of the house. All the while, I missed that there are other properties between 48 Benaroon and Ellendale Crescent! Doh! My apologies to everyone, as I have been repeating this mistake endlessly.

    Given that, it makes it even stranger that the kidnappers who planned on taking WT that morning or "Those who knew what happened to WT according to FFC" would park their cars UP Benaroon Dr, rather than DOWN, the path of least resistance.

    Nowhere Child Episode 2 (@9:33):
    Presuming the kidnappers wouldn't add considerably more time to their getaway by taking such a rustic path slowing them down and possibly causing vehicular damage, their parking choice still added extra time to their getaway by requiring both cars to have to turn around to exit towards Batar Creek Road after taking WT.

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    Also strange that FFC wouldn't crosscheck the latest whereabouts of those abnormally parked cars on Benaroon Drive (which she noticed at two different times that morning) just a few steps away after making eye contact with old-timey beer belly man in his late 50s who had just pulled in and backed out of the Miller's driveway in a greenish/grey vehicle that may have looked more gunmetal grey from a distance.
     
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    Wow, good point.
     
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    20.12.2015: Foster Mother says William’s sister may have been the only witness to abduction and that she knows a “bad person took William”.

    William Tyrrell’s doomed life


    If FM is responsible for his disappearance, what a disgusting thing to say to his sister to terrify her for life.
     
  6. FromGermany1

    FromGermany1 Formerly FromGermany

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    The sister being on the deck and drawing some pics for "Opa", before or after tea:
    -During this same time, I remember, that the girl had to visit the bathroom. As far as I remember, someone allegedly went with her, but it was never quite clear, if FFC or FGM did it. It has to fit into the timeline also, although we don't know, whether true or not.
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    Just found that, didn't remember it:
    2019
    Dog's grave dug up during William Tyrrell search | The New Daily

    What I wanted to say about grave and burying something in the existing grave, I can't now and have to search a link first. Story around AJ, our long forgotten suspect.
     
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    FromGermany1 Formerly FromGermany

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    FFC didn't commit to a gender at all, maybe clever.
     
  8. Not sure why she didn't take the family car.MFC drove into the driveway. That car was brand new and a big one so maybe FFC hadn't drove it before and the FGM car was just easier as it was smaller. Just a guess though
     
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  9. The question I was answering was if FFC had drove to the riding school before calling LE, or after LE arrived. What she told LE on the day is a different matter.
     
  10. drsleuth

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    No Cookies | Herald Sun

    Off-the-record assurances that police “know who dunnit” but “just can’t prove it” because of (insert excuse) are sometimes right. But this supposed inside information can also be wishful thinking, desperation, vindictiveness, boastfulness, bigotry or tunnel vision.
     
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    Occam razor would suggest the FGM car was taken because the FFC car wasnt there at the time of necessity.

    Its a discrepency IMO
    Can't tie that detail up in a bow. ..That dog just don't hunt.

    moo
     
  12. winterberry

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    Sounds a lot like how Jubelin handled this case.
     
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    wow:oops:
    Well is there anything wrong with them exhausting a line of inquiry?
    Especially if it was unsatisfactory conclusions the first time?
    The most obvious line of inquiry of all?

    Do we actually want to find William?


    We can't sit in the fairy garden, block our ears and sing kumbaya because we think the POI is nice and those nasty policemen are saying bad things.

    Its just not how it goes.

    moo
     
  14. Angeline

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    I have wondered about this. One theory I thought of was that WT could have been rushed to hospital in the car and he didn't survive. Maybe he swallowed someone's pills or had a snake bite. I know that doesn't fit in in with the current search area though. Just trying to think of all possibilities.
     
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    Did WT have training wheels on the bike at this time. It seems like it, the way he is looking up and smiling at the camera. If he wasn't on training wheels I don't think he could be going slow enough to look away from the road and smile that way.

    If he did have training wheels still on, then a helmet would not be as necessary, imo.
     
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    Oh wow, didn't realise they were actually talking about Jubelin.

    The first thing that (now former) lead investigator Gary Jubelin had to do was to eliminate William’s network of biological and foster relatives.

    Jubelin, responding to a thinly veiled swipe from former colleagues last week, is adamant he put William’s foster parents through the wringer.

    Clearly returning fire to the NSW police chief, a steely Jubelin insisted he used every legal tactic in the interrogator’s handbook to shake any inconsistencies in the foster parents’ story.

    He said he “ambushed” the couple with a sudden series of accusatory questions designed to shock them into an admission or a slip-up if they were hiding anything. He then interviewed them formally and bugged their car to see what they said in private.

    After Jubelin was convinced the family members were not lying, his crew cranked up the investigation into “persons of interest” who might have entered the street at the moment the little boy wandered into the front garden.

    Police routinely exploit it by using the media not only to appeal for witnesses and information but to put pressure on potential suspects.

    There’s nothing wrong with that – until there is. The result, at least in the Tyrrell case, is likely to be defamation suits.

    If there’s a lesson in the Tyrrell affair for police, the public and the media elsewhere, it’s about the danger of jumping to conclusions, of embracing theories and repeating them until they assume the veneer of fact.

    No Cookies | Herald Sun


     
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    On Wednesday, William’s biological mother said her torment began long before her son’s disappearance.

    “It’s been years actually. Can you imagine what I’ve been through? I’m a mess, how do you think I’m doing?” she said.

    When asked about revelations of a new suspect on the drawing boards of detectives, William’s mother said she had been concerned about those caring for him “from the start”.

    “He had bruises on (him) at a young age when I’d go to visit and they said it was because (he was) learning to walk,’’ she said. “You really think he fell off a balcony?”

    The mother has been supported by close friends in recent days as she deals with the return of her son’s disappearance to the headlines.

    No Cookies | Daily Telegraph
     
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    Yep and I get the feeling that she went inside the house expecting Nana, who was reading a newspaper, to be watching the kids. I don't think she really knows what time William took off.
     
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    Also fascinating from the article posted is this. I mean, I always suspected this was their motivation for their names being suppressed. But, clearly at this point it has nothing to do with William’s status as a foster child, so why is this continuing??

    “The foster parents fought hard to keep their names suppressed from the media.

    “According to NSW Supreme Court documents in the case brought by children's advocate Allanna Smith against FACS, the foster parents feared they would be identified and this would bring further harassment of themselves, their family and friends.”
     
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    Where is it stated LE have photos of William’s shoes still on scene when they arrived? The photos of William barefoot on the deck with his shoes behind him at the door are before he disappeared. They don’t prove or disprove FFC’s statement that he put them on before playing on the grass. IMO.


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