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iiiii's said:
yes, but 15 hours on one property? That's 1 hectare per hour by a huge amount of people! https://www.property.com.au/nsw/johns-river-2443/wharf-rd/92-pid-1778488/
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That’s is the equivalent of 38 plus acres …. on one property … which is a large area to search …

The article says they had 100 local volunteers after dark …. It would be more slow going in the dark I would imagine???


Or am I not understanding what you mean??? Do you think the child was “more than lost” ??? (Like taken, and returned …???? )

IMO

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SLouTh said:
That’s is the equivalent of 38 plus acres …. on one property … which is a large area to search …

The article says they had 100 local volunteers after dark …. It would be more slow going in the dark I would imagine???


Or am I not understanding what you mean??? Do you think the child was “more than lost” ??? (Like taken, and returned …???? )

IMO

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Well to my mind it isn't a huge area with a lot of people, at least 1/2 the land was cleared and 7 hours of that search time would have been done in daylight. Yes, I have strongly wondered whether the child was taken and returned. And I have wondered if SFR have checked out where all their POI's in WT's case, were on the day TK went missing. Was FA living around John's River in 2013 or had he moved by then? He was suspected of another serious crime in that area by people who knew him when living around there. Also, I had wondered about someone in TK's search feeling activated somehow by the excitment of the child being found, and seeing an opportunity and orchestrating another in WT's case, a sort of mischief that ended v. badly. I've contemplated motive and one that doesn't really get covered is mischief/spite, opportunity. A juvenile kind of personality that might see the opportunity to take a child, then dump them somewhere remote, thinking they will be found, but they aren't found and gets off on the drama they are causing. MOO
 
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JLZ said:
If FFC ran down the driveway and met MFC as he was turning in, and that's where they had that exchange about whether William was with him . . . he still has to drive up the driveway and park the car and get out. In that time, would she have made her own way up the driveway and be back on the porch when MFC runs past? Or would she necessarily be behind him?
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just me - but if I was met at the end of that driveway & told my child was missing, I’d be out of that car & that’s where it’d stay ( and I wouldn’t be thinking of computers etc!)
 
Megnut said:
Oh, I'll bet the female foster caregiver was doing the frantic thing.

The timeline of events is emerging.

Personally I think the male caregiver left twice. The second time he left IMO was because the household was a zoo. It wasn't about internet access, it was for QUIET.

While he was away, something happened. Impelling the female caregiver to take a clandestine drive, of which she told no one. Key, I believe she intentionally took no phone. It was indeed a hurried, harried, frantic drive. Arrived back home, saw the text from her husband, raced back out, all the while forming and reforming a story.

While we were waiting....

Waiting for what?

The police to arrive? No sense searching anymore if you've "decided" he's been taken...

Waiting for the male caregiver to return home? As a maje-believe starting point?

I fully believe she intended to gaslight the foster grandmother and Wm's sister, confident she could bend time with them. Wm roared. Daddy Tiger. Then Mommy Monster. [Gap in time.] Then rummaging through cabinets.

But the foster grandmother did note a passage of time, enough so that she got up to investigate.... 5 minutes? 20? How cold was her tea? How many times was tea made and served?

IMO the male caregiver was (purposefully) led to believe that Wm had just disappeared, hence his rushed response. Wm would've been very near, had he just wandered off. No one bothered to mention it had been a while. Long enough for a scenic drive....

The clues are there. Between the story-crafting on the one side and the male caregiver and foster grandmother's recollections and reactions on the other.

I think we're getting very close to piecing it together!

JMO
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I appreciate your thoughts Megnut. I also think he left twice, but I’ve got a slightly different slant, given the fact that FGM insists he left before 8am, yet CCTV clocked him basically an hour later.

Those pesky photos continue to puzzle me - their Reason for Being. I’ve got so many questions that I wish Police had asked in those walkthrough.
 
Awakening said:
IMO, assuming FM is not involved, it’s at this point that FM realises WT is missing.

She wasn’t panicked yet, she was perhaps thinking where is he when she sees FF and says “is William with you?”

I think up until then she’d assumed William was on the property somewhere and wasn’t that concerned.

I can’t decide if everything since then has been her trying to cover up her negligence or if she was indeed involved.
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Hi Awakening. Just trying to get my brain into the timelines …. are you thinking that basically FM had just realised that William was missing, at the same time that FF arrived in the carport - so she’s asked ‘is William with you’ thinking he’s maybe picked him up on the drive way ?

If so, that’d be feasible in my book.
There’s also been ‘reports’ of FM apparently asking ‘can you see Daddy‘s car‘ - whenever in the scheme of things that was - also his sister is reported as saying ‘he went to look for Daddy’. But I wonder was there some subliminal persuasion / messaging going on. Was it perhaps a case of L knowing better not to push the boundaries- ask no questions & do as you’re told!

Its always bothered me that the initial focus was focused on a ground search to find this ‘little boy lost’.
Then suddenly it turned into dodgy cars & people, and he’s been abducted. .. . almost as if the questions from 000 responder provided another angle to explore !

something doesn’t ‘smell’ right - then I question myself as to whether I’m being unfairly judgemental!
 
Couldbe said:
JMO -quite a bit of discombobulation/lying gone on for that to be what happened! (The FGM must have cooperated in the story ... to be told to LE!
Perverting the course of justice ... each proven lie may become treated as separate counts?
So nightrider, the time of taking William to see the horses would be after the 9.37am photo times (On the back Patio).
That would have provided the FM with approx 45 minutes to drive there and back (Add some time to tell the FGM before FF arrival back).

.... That theory of possibility:"She drove down towards the riding school, maybe suggesting that they could see horses or go and pat the horses as a distraction to WT who was wanting the FF and fretting for him."
"WT jumped out and had an accident which happened at the side of the road??"
"She told him to go and find the horses?? and WT went through the bushes?? and didn't return??"

.... dictates that the FM has managed to lie to everyone (Except the FGM) and together, they have managed to dupe everyone .. i.e. until sufficient of her lying/perverting the course of justice can be uncovered.

All MOO
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With all due respect for the scenarios offered by Nightrider & yourself ‘Couldbe’ - at the end of the day the degree of lying by FM will be determined eventually. Who knows what she said to FGM or to little L.

IMO, there’s no doubt she’s polished in the power of her presentations !

I‘d struggle with covering up the death of any child ( uumm - if i was responsible for said death, I guess I’d have all sorts of panic clambering through me but I hope that I’d call for help)
IMO, if an accident happened to ‘mine’ or to anyone, I’d be striving to help them & calling ambulance 000 - and I think most people would give the same answer.
 
SLouTh said:
That’s is the equivalent of 38 plus acres …. on one property … which is a large area to search …

The article says they had 100 local volunteers after dark …. It would be more slow going in the dark I would imagine???


Or am I not understanding what you mean??? Do you think the child was “more than lost” ??? (Like taken, and returned …???? )

IMO

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Compare that to Kendall State Forest, which is 580 hectares, or about 1,433 acres, plus more wooded area before you get to the actual forest, and all of the other directions in which to search.
 
Chrissy74 said:
Maybe the same person(s) who leaked information on the brief of evidence handed over to the DPP?
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Why would the “same” person go to two vastly different outlets???

Candace Sutton from The Daily Mail released the FGM Walkthru and IIRC no other media touched that story …..????

Tiffany Genders from Nine, broke the DPP Story, that that was then picked up by every other Australian news outlet ….

One could guess, that Candace Sutton received that FGM Walkthru from the same person that she received the other statement about Mr R Donoghue, from????

There must be some reason (legal perhaps?? or an agenda??) that no other media touched the FGM Walkthru???? And yet the FM “drive” (part of FM Walkthru) that was released by the Coroner, was published by all Australian media outlets ….

Just my opinion …
 
SLouTh said:
There must be some reason (legal perhaps?? or an agenda??) that no other media touched the FGM Walkthru???? And yet the FM “drive” (part of FM Walkthru) that was released by the Coroner, was published by all Australian media outlets ….

Just my opinion …
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I think no others touched the FGM walkthrough because it did not come from a source that was allowed to provide it.

That it came from an "Interested party" who was supposed to keep confidential the police brief that they had been given.

Hence, an agenda.

But that is just my guess.

imo
 
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bearbear said:
and no public warnings from police alerting the community of a child predator
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I think there were plenty of warnings. Plenty.

When William disappeared it was quickly and very publicly made clear how many sex offenders lived in the area. They couldn't have done much more to warn people about predators.

The locals started watching their children closely. Eg: I recall a local saying that she used to let her children walk to the bus stop alone, but no more.

imo
 
SouthAussie said:
I think there were plenty of warnings. Plenty.

When William disappeared it was quickly and very publicly made clear how many sex offenders lived in the area. They couldn't have done much more to warn people about predators.

The locals started watching their children closely. Eg: I recall a local saying that she used to let her children walk to the bus stop alone, but no more.

imo
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but police never gave a press release stating there was a suspected child abductor in kendall, warning parents
 
bearbear said:
but police never gave a press release stating there was a suspected child abductor in kendall, warning parents
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That doesn't mean the public were not warned. The police told all of the news media about the high rate of local sex offenders. They told the media there were sex offenders in GAPA. The media then went on to publish this info in their publications.

These are not things that the media find out all by themselves. Because our child sex offenders are so protected in this country. The police told them, with the full intention of the public being alerted and warned.

imo
 
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FF Lawyer

In short closing submissions on Monday, the foster father's barrister Phillip English said there was no evidence his client grabbed the child's neck as claimed.
He said police asked leading questions to garner a so-called admission during interviews.
Mr English said his client grabbed the child's shoulder and applied a "medium force" to push them downwards when the youngster stood up against the wall in their Sydney home after trying to get out of a 44-minute timeout.
That force was lawfully applied for punishment, he said.


www.canberratimes.com.au

Tyrrell foster father argues 'lawful' force on child

The 56-year-old rejects claims he grabbed a child by the neck.
www.canberratimes.com.au www.canberratimes.com.au
 
SLouTh said:
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In short closing submissions on Monday, the foster father's barrister Phillip English said there was no evidence his client grabbed the child's neck as claimed.
He said police asked leading questions to garner a so-called admission during interviews.
Mr English said his client grabbed the child's shoulder and applied a "medium force" to push them downwards when the youngster stood up against the wall in their Sydney home after trying to get out of a 44-minute timeout.
That force was lawfully applied for punishment, he said.


www.canberratimes.com.au

Tyrrell foster father argues 'lawful' force on child

The 56-year-old rejects claims he grabbed a child by the neck.
www.canberratimes.com.au www.canberratimes.com.au
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FM Lawyer (Same Link)

The foster mother's solicitor Sharon Ramsden said that for prosecutors to succeed on their intimidation charges against her client, they would have to show the intent was unlawful harm.
Otherwise, the case would catch any parent who threatened their son or daughter with a smack on the bottom.
"Any time a parent said that, it would amount to intimidation," Ms Ramsden said.
Under the defence of lawful correction in NSW, a parent or carer can use force on a child as long as the action was intended as punishment.
 
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