AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021

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  1. JJ Ray

    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    Welcome to the thread, good points and perspectives
    1) IMO David knew the name, her location and profile picture. He got this on the day Daniel went missing from phone calls with his daughter, Davisha.
    2) from the beginning, by the way he was acting, I assumed he actually did. My wife is convinced this is locker room bragging to the friend. K does not say in the report. One MSM article that was summarizing the report (IIRC Daily Mail?) indicated that she said "nothing happened". I am unable to actually find that comment in the BPD report.
    3) Mr. Robinson and his PI would have to determine that via his personal computer and gaming accounts. I know his sister had access to his social media but have never heard about gaming.
    4) I would normally agree (and at one point was all on board with head injury) except the more I think about the scene, the damage, etc. This 3/4 roll over was fairly slow and the slopes of the ravine, wheel turning, and general momentum carried the car over to the left...not violent speed. The impact into the slope was measured at 30 mph.

    Landry is interesting...is it like a new Tik Tok challenge thing among young men?

    To you last point, to summarize my previous comments...
    IMO Mr. Robinson has had legal advice from early July. (he let slip "an attorney acquaintance put me in touch with PI McGrath" for example. Unfortunately I can not re-find the source). I also base this on the general way in which everything is tightly controlled, no one is really allowed to get information from "the team" or family which would actually help us in locating DANIEL. The media narrative being pushed (and in varying degree by outlet, i.e. target audience) by Mr. Robinson (and echoed by his PI) is IMO 2 fold.

    On one level I originally thought he is ill-equipped psychologically to accept his son would do himself or his vehicle harm or flee his family. Thus criminal involvement has to be the cause. But after 3 months you would think the evidence he knows is overwhelming that "foul play" is the least of the possibilities. And recovery in the desert is still Mr. Robinson's focus. ( I assume he think there will be some forensic evidence of him being attacked).

    As by-product (whether intentional or not) 'criminal involvement' / "BPD didn't do enough" has kept the public interest and emotions high. The "go fund me" increased by 100k after national media accounts.

    And a good attorney will always keep the long game in mind..."a psychic break, rash decisions in the desert leads to young man's death" doesn't pay the bills. "Buckeye was negligent in the searching for an endangered young man" does.
     


  2. capitola51

    capitola51 Well-Known Member

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    The Police report (page 36) also says "...the video quality was poor...". It doesn't say anything about whether he put the gallon of gas in the vehicle or in a can.
    DR must have had some tools with him in the jeep. Police report (page 39, end of page) "...they left the office in Daniel's jeep and he described the dirt and tools in there that had to be moved to the back."
    So if there were no tools/equipment that were the day to day necessities of a working hydrogeologist at the crash site, that would also be a data point to consider.
    An inventory of the contents of the jeep and/or findings at crash site would be most useful. Is there such a list?
     
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  3. capitola51

    capitola51 Well-Known Member

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    Just as a data point, I found a bill board on Sun Valley Parkway, the development company appear to be:
    Douglas Ranch AZ | Arizona City of the Future
    From the website: "The Douglas Ranch property is generally bounded by Jomax Road alignment on the north, Thunderbird/Cactus Road alignments on the south, 319th to 328th Avenue alignments on the east and 379th and 355th Avenue alignments on the west."
     
  4. TammyinVA

    TammyinVA Active Member

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    There is heavy redaction on page 26 of the police report in regards to the 2 text messages to Stephen, his boss, and recipient of the one of of the last 5 outgoing texts. I wonder why? Ken and K are mentioned, so someone else is redacted. Unless I'm reading it wrong. It looks like a recipient is completely redacted at the bottom paragraph. I can understand employee confidentiality needing to be upheld on the employer side but not even the date is given of the 2 to his boss. There's a lot redacted. I wonder if he was having difficulty at work.
     
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    Speculaytor Well-Known Member

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    What is going on, both Jelani and Daniel take their clothes off before they go missing? Am I the only one finding this similarity weird??
     
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  6. kelsie

    kelsie Missing Persons Advocate, Writer, and Researcher

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    SRBM. Great post, Tammy!
    This makes me lean even more towards a bipolar episode or psychotic break of some sort. :( It's not abnormal to have issues regarding excessive spending when going through either of those things. I do not mean to say that *everyone* experiencing a manic episode or a breakdown starts with the excessive spending, but many do.

    Not really all that weird, can happen with a few different types of mental illness and also can happen with hypothermia.
     
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  7. Trackergd

    Trackergd Verified SAR Manager and Tracker - Retired

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    @JJ Ray , in your opinion, what was the level and detail of the forensic analysis at the crash location? Little to none, half hearted or earnest effort?

    I'm having difficulty trying to make his reported mental state work with a staged wreck scene. If the consensus was that it was a staged wreck scene, one gallon of gas would be about right for a mini-bike/small dirt bike to exit the wreck area and back to society.
     
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    Wow, possible sightings? I hope he is alive and did "take-off" during something like a manic episode (no shame in that, it happens) and is hopefully hanging-in there and will be located and helped.

    I don't see any reason / evidence to suspect foul play and have been assuming he perished in the desert. The thought he could possibly be alive is great, but the car accident followed by lack of medical treatment concerns me.
     
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    Snipped & BBM for focus

    I agree!
    I’d think LE would have an inventory of such, but I’ve not seen it shared publicly.
     
  10. TammyinVA

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    I'm 3/4 of the way through the comments...but some recent thoughts:

    1) I don't think D went into the desert take a nap. I don't understand what the PI is basing that on other than KE thinking D was saying "rest." The all night gaming marathon is based on what? I haven't heard of any evidence released he was logged into some type of online game to verify that or mentioned it to anyone. At that age I regularly had to pull all nighters for work projects...and the caffeine and adrenaline kept me going at 9am. Now I didn't feel great and the crash would be rough, but I wouldn't think of leaving my job to nap. So that morning he stops by a gas station and gets a gallon of gas. NOT a large iced coffee, energy drinks, caffeine pills. He could have napped in his jeep if he felt that bad. He had another reason to drive into the desert.

    2) Police found K's texts to him in his trash folder on his phone per the police report. I think he moved on from K to another fixation. Not necessarily another person.

    3) Socks. I don't see how the PI can claim that black sock found miles from the work site was D's without forensic analysis. I'd bet black Nike socks are fairly common. It also looked far more sun bleached to me than a few months. D's clothing pile at the jeep had mismatched socks. He was wearing boots, so it wouldn't show. Per the police report his room was a mess with clothing strewn on the floor. I wouldn't be surprised he didn't have all his socks neatly paired.
     
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  11. capitola51

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    Just looking at the map in post 14 (AZ - AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021)
    It looks like the Buckeye PD map (on the left) shows another road heading South East from the electrical sub station back to Sun Valley Parkway. I am wondering if this road would have shown up as a navigable highway on the navigation system of a 2017 Jeep Renegade.
     
  12. JJ Ray

    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    Saturday Search Update;
    Nada, as far as I know. The Search Coordinator and Mr. Robinson went west 5 miles with about 16 to the proposed I-11 corridor (west side of Hassayampa). I believe this is in response to a "tip". The logistics Coordinator took a group of 14 back up Wagner Wash near the work/well site. that seemed to be to satisfy his own curiosity about thoroughness of Buckeye and previous groups???
     
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  13. JJ Ray

    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    Yes. I have that marked as well. Stephen is the Project Manager and I can't think of anything shared with him that would require redaction. There are 3 totally redacted names on the first page listing of subjects. One is I believe Brandon Skelton, the rancher. It reads like he only gave his first name to BPD. In the Daily Mail article he is clearly anti BPD. The other two, I can't determine....YET!

    According to others he was not having difficulty at work outside of the last 2 weeks and "odd" questioning/behavior noted in the report.
     
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  14. JJ Ray

    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    It does and my spreadsheet of driving distances notes it (under "other distance" I believe I left but may have deleted it for clarity). In fact, if you put in the well site in Google Maps, it directs you to Sun Valley and Cactus but warns of possible private property crossings. If you put in the transformer substation as a destination it takes you up 315th Avenue and then across to the track you mention. Many of us have searched and driven it. Matrix prepared a map for staff for use showing how to gain access via Sun Valley and Cactus which Daniel had but with 14 miles unaccounted for in the morning before meeting Ken Elliot and 22 after I'd say its a good bet he knew that route.
     
  15. JJ Ray

    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    The report notes attempts to locate prints at the scene but there is not a lot of detail in the report regarding that aspect. I personally don't think it was staged. See my early "Day of disappearance" post....
     
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    JJ Ray Data Driven Empath

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    So you are local! The exact property for the work site (and the wreck site is just inside the southwest boundary) is "TW Purchase LLC" which is a subsidiary of "Trillium LLC". Trillium is marketed as "the gateway" to Douglas Ranch and a small but vital first piece. Ultimately Douglas Ranch will be the largest single planned resident development in states history. Trillium (like Douglas Ranch) is owned by El Dorado Holdings. The partner in Trillium is JDM Partners, Jerry Colangelo and Mark Stein and some other guy (the "D") I always forget...
    Trillium is Brown and that massive Green mass to the west is Douglas Ranch proper...
    https://buckeyearizona.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=690f24e4daf84883a8d7fdf547b3303f
     
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    After spending months searching for his son in Arizona, David Robinson wishes authorities were more aggressive in their efforts to find him.

    His 24-year-old son, Daniel Robinson, was last seen on June 23 after leaving a work site in Buckeye, Arizona, in his Jeep Renegade. The geologist's car was discovered by a rancher on July 19 about three miles away from the work site where he was last seen. The vehicle had suffered crash damage and a pile of his clothing and belongings was discovered nearby, the elder Robinson said.

    Robinson, who lives in South Carolina but has been in Arizona for the past several months, said Thursday that a volunteer search team is continuously looking for clues and evidence within an 11-mile radius of where his son's Jeep Renegade was found.

    As mystery surrounds the death of Jelani Day, families of missing Black men plead for more accountability
     
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  20. mlhenn

    mlhenn Well-Known Member

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    I’d like to add from the link above that was shared by @JerseyGirl


    Buckeye police assistant chief Bob Sanders had previously told CNN the department has followed up on every lead, interviewed co-workers, friends and relatives, and reviewed all evidence. Sanders said officers were working to give the family closure "one way or the other."
     

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