AZ AZ - Flagstaff, UnkSex&Race UP119830, UnkAge, near Kowboy Kountry Club, a skull found near the same area was discovered in 1960, Jul'80

[MadMcGoo]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) UP9861

Arizona Daily Sun 19 May 1981, page 14 - Newspapers.com

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Date Body Found: 1960 & July 1, 1980
Location Found: Flagstaff, Coconino County, Arizona
Sex: Male
Race / Ethnicity: Uncertain
Estimated Age Group: Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years): 35-65
Estimated PMI: 35 Years
Estimated Height: 5' 8"(68 inches)
Weight: Cannot Estimate
Hair Color: Blonde-gray
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinctive Characteristics: Probably wore dentures and suffered from spinal arthritis.

Circumstances of Recovery: Found remains (in a wooded area near Kowboy Kountry Club) with a GSW to the head and rusted revolver next to the remains. CCSO deputy Woolbright assumes suicide. A section of newspaper and clothing were also associated and based on the condition of the remains, the rusted revolver, newspaper and clothing style, it was thought that the death occurred in the 1950s.

1 Missing Person Exclusions:
MP11219 Michael Griffin 1958 CA

 

[MadMcGoo]

I wish I knew when in 1960 the skull was found. I couldn’t find anything about it’s discovery. There are only a couple of potential matches. For some reason William stands out to me and he somewhat resembles the sketch. The others not so much.

Ralph Stutzman – The Charley Project

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William Durrell Patterson – The Charley Project

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A bit young, but the location and circumstances caught my eye: Thomas Clyde O’Daniel – The Charley Project

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I wish I knew when in 1960 the skull was found. I couldn’t find anything about it’s discovery. There are only a couple of potential matches. For some reason William stands out to me and he somewhat resembles the sketch. The others not so much.

Ralph Stutzman – The Charley Project

charleyproject.org

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William Durrell Patterson – The Charley Project

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A bit young, but the location and circumstances caught my eye: Thomas Clyde O’Daniel – The Charley Project

William Durrell Patterson looks like a potential match, he looks like the John Doe sketch.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

I wonder what made them lower the age range.

 

[MadMcGoo]

William Durrell Patterson looks like a potential match, he looks like the John Doe sketch.

I thought so too. I’ll probably submit him.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I wonder what made them lower the age range.

Good question. It was lowered quite a bit too.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

1 Missing Person Exclusion

 

[MadMcGoo]

This article was printed in April 1961 after the skull was recovered but says it was originally discovered by two teen boys in October 1960.

Apr 10, 1961, page 1 - Arizona Daily Sun at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

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Apr 11, 1961, page 7 - Arizona Daily Star at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

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The skull contained a bullet hole.

 

[LouLou74]

I thought so too. I’ll probably submit him.

MadMcGoo - did you submit this? Thanks!

 

[MadMcGoo]

MadMcGoo - did you submit this? Thanks!

I did! I’ll keep the thread updated if I happen to get a response.

 

[cenazoic]

Ralph Stutzman was recently discovered to have run away and started a new family in Florida.

What a fascinating story!

 

[MadMcGoo]

Aug 31, 1959, page 16 - Arizona Republic at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

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Gregg McClure, 57 years old, 5’6”, 200 lbs, missing from Phoenix since August 1959.

Sep 01, 1959, page 11 - The Arizona Republic at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

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I can not find whether or not this man was ever located or returned to his new bride. Anyone else able to?

 

[victoriarobinson642]

I can't find anything to suggest he was ever found.

 

[Romulus]

Unidentified Person/NamUs #UP119830
Male, White/Caucasian
Date Body Found: July 5, 1980
Location Found: Flagstaff, Arizona
Estimated Age Range: 50-65 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Circumstances of Recovery: Partial skeleton found near Kowboy Kountry Club. A skull found near the same area was discovered in 1960.

 

[heartanium]

Reconstruction:



LaBoone, Ken "Human Bones Found North of Flagstaff," Arizona Daily Sun, July 8, 1980, pg 3.

"a hiker found human remains, a loaded pistol, old newspaper and coins under fallen trees."

"a man man said he found a human skull in the same area in 1962, and gave it to the Museum of Northern Arizona."

"the coins had none dated later then 1957"

LaBoone, Ken "Man's Death: Was It Murder or Was It Suicide?," Arizona Daily Sun, September 28, 1980, pg 1.

"[the pistol] was a pre-1900 vintage .32-caliber revolver carried in a Smith & Wesson pistol box...with four live rounds in the cylinder and more cartridges in a match box."

"the man walked with a gait...and had spinal arthritis and a hip deformity consistent with prolonged office work"

"his [clothes] included dress shoes, a belt, fragments of light-weight clothes."

"he was thought to have died in June or July 1957 near the Flagstaff Country Club [Kowboy Kountry Club]."

LaBoone, Ken "Museum Locates Skull Needed in County Probe," Arizona Daily Sun, October 28, 1980, pg 1.

"The skull has two bullet wounds - an entry wound near the right temple, and an exit wound high on the left side."

"The newspaper was a scrap from a 1957 edition of The Arizona Daily Sun."

"Deputy Releases Drawing of Dead Man Whose Bones Were Found Last Summer," Arizona Daily Sun, May 19, 1981, pg 14.

"The man had blond-gray hair"

"He probably wore dentures."

"[Even after locating the skull] detectives aren't sure if the wound was self-inflicted or if the man was a murder victim"

 

[heartanium]

I tried to find out exactly where Kowboy Kountry Club was but I couldn't find an exact location, but it was located on Schultz Pass Road off of Highway 180. If I'm guessing it was about here. Kowboy Country Club was destroyed by fire on December 23, 1981.

 

[Romulus]

But so I have questions: is the skull found in 1960 part of the remains found in 1980? Or was the sketch made with remains from 1980?

 

[heartanium]

But so I have questions: is the skull found in 1960 part of the remains found in 1980? Or was the sketch made with remains from 1980?

From what I can gather from the article the skull was found either 1961/1962 (articles give conflicting dates). When these remains were found in 1980 it was headless, the man who found the skull in 61/62 called in to the police and said that he found the skull in the same vicinity. The skull was connected back to this case then located at the Museum of Northern Arizona & the reconstruction was made from the skull from 61/62. It seems that LE operated under the thought that the skull was part of the remains from 1980's, I'm not sure if any DNA testing was done to confirm that considering the time period. However, the bullet wound in the skull from 61/62 matches the caliber of gun found with the remains from 1980 so I assume they do match up.

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense?

 

[Romulus]

From what I can gather from the article the skull was found either 1961/1962 (articles give conflicting dates). When these remains were found in 1980 it was headless, the man who found the skull in 61/62 called in to the police and said that he found the skull in the same vicinity. The skull was connected back to this case then located at the Museum of Northern Arizona & the reconstruction was made from the skull from 61/62. It seems that LE operated under the thought that the skull was part of the remains from 1980's, I'm not sure if any DNA testing was done to confirm that considering the time period. However, the bullet wound in the skull from 61/62 matches the caliber of gun found with the remains from 1980 so I assume they do match up.

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense?

Thanks, now it's clear, I've already taken a look at the disappearances in Arizona but I haven't found compatible profiles, I'll check other states as soon as I have time.