AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #6

Discussion in 'Gabriel Johnson' started by Salem, Jan 11, 2010.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Please continue here.

    And from Hoppy on thread 5:

    "Major missing persons cases like Gabriel's bring out a lot of new posters, and we want to welcome them to WS.

    Please read and follow the TOS here at WS; we take it seriously!"

    I'll add links to past threads in just a few minutes.

    Salem

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  3. Marigold

    Marigold New Member

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    Thanks for the new thread.
     
  4. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    An estimated breakdown of EJ's costs might go something like this:

    $200 for gas (based on $40 per fill up and 5 fill ups - tank of gas every 200 miles for a 1,000 miles)
    $325 for nights at a motel based on $65 per night.
    $180 for the bus ticket to Miami based on the ticket seller's interview.

    Total: $705.00 Gas might have been a little cheaper and the room might have been a little less or a little more. I did not look up the rates at the motel.

    Salem
     
  5. time

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    Transferring from previous thread

    I agree with you up to #5 then I can see different scenarios depending on the Smith's invovlement.
     
  6. DairyGirl

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    She had to eat, too. Plus diapers and formula for Gabriel, unless TPS was right about her getting "underground" help for that. And didn't I hear that she went to 6 Flags, or was that just a rumor?
     
  7. Baznme

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    Not meaning to give up a successful find of an alive baby Gabriel, I'm thinking the worst is possible.

    I want to go back to the last ping from the cell phone. 27th or 28th, depending on how you count if you go by the 3 days prior to EJ's arrest. If on the 27th, would indicate someone either calling out or a call coming in and from what I've read it was bounced off a tower near Victoria TX. If on the 28th, could mean the phone battery was dying, don't know. Nevertheless, if EJ had never been to Victoria, but the phone was, there are only two ways that could be. If someone had the phone in their possession OR the phone was in something being transported through that area. If that someone had the phone in their possession, they more than likely know about this baby. If the phone was being transported unknowingly through that area, it could mean it was in the garbage, had been picked up and was on it's way to a landfill. Do we know where the landfills are for the San Antonio area?
     
  8. Marigold

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    Your figures look pretty good to me, I wonder how much she spent on food?


    I also wanted to mention that Ives called one of the motels EJ stayed at and posted this:
    well I did just call the hotel Just to ask how much it was for a weeks stay. $245 bucks. Not too bad. It looks really nice. Now how many other motels did she stay at on her trip? and did she actually pay for a room at Motel 6? or Just park the car there?

    Don't worry, I just asked "how much for a weeks stay?"
    Man "245.21"
    Me " OK, Thanks!"

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  9. mum

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    I head TPS say that EJ got WIC, so milk should have been covered, but she would have needed ice chest to transport it? cheese and other things are covered too, but not diapers.

    Six Flags is near the hotel and park.

    Did she leave AZ on the 20th or sooner?
     
  10. not_my_kids

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    Notice that the statement is that Elizabeth was never there, not that her phone never pinged in or near Victoria, and I not that Gabe specifically was never there. I likely am reading too much into that, I tend to do that at times.
     
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    If she was getting WIC, she wouldn't have had to buy milk, cheese, formula, bread, peanut butter, cereal...I know there's more.
    You can live on a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter for awhile. Food may have cost her next to nothing.

    ETA: EJ left Tempe the 18th, as far as I know.
     
  12. time

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    thank you - it's obvious to me she must have gotten more money somewhere than what we have heard about if she ended up with $500. I still don't know of another source for the stuff the Smith's say she spent money on though, e.g., manicure - was that in court records?

    Hard to say though - did gramps give her money? The Smith's? Someone who was involved with a hand off/illegal adoption?

    Was she given some money just to get by and promised more later?

    I did think the Smith's reaction was weird tonight on Nancy Grace, when Nancy said it appeared she didn't have enough money to claim she sold the child. Was that the point they looked surprised and disappointed with Nancy's response and their faces said "Uh, oh, what's coming next if she doesn't believe that".

    And, when one attorney responded when Nancy asked how jurors would see all this, basically, like Elizabeth was out having a good time spending money, the attorney (or attorneys said) thought it would be in Elizabeth's favor because it indicates she left Gabriel with someone who was going to take care of him and she is getting on with her life.
     
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    Makes me wonder what route the bus took and if it went through Victoria? Has anyone answers that with 100% certainty?
     
  14. not_my_kids

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    Yes, the old, I partied because I didn't think the kidnapper or nanny or nice couple in the park would hurt the child. That always works, just ask casey anthony. :angel:
     
  15. Marigold

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    I was just thinking about WIC too, but at EJ's hearing, the attorney said she paid for everything with cash. I know nothing about the WIC program. Would WIC be traceable, or is it more like using a coupon from the Sunday paper?
     
  16. BeanE

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    LE has been all over the news, repeatedly stating that Logan is Gabriel's legal father and custodian, so that if someone has Gabriel, they will return him to his father, where he belongs.

    If LE is wrong about this, please provide a link.
     
  17. not_my_kids

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    She never said everything, just paid in cash...and you can cash in a month worth of WIC at a time, she could have cashed in a month right before she left. With a cooler, most of it would keep.I don't know if AZ uses the card form or the paper form.
    If they use the card kind of WIC, it's like a debit card, they can trace it in minutes. If it's paper form, it would take a few days to cycle back to WIC, but then they could check and see where she used the coupon.
     
  18. Baznme

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    Another poster called Tornado Bus Lines and they said they do not go through Victoria.
     
  19. iluvmua

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    As far as I know the bus does not go through Victoria.
     
  20. Ransom

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    YES. Read back. Tornado Bus does NOT go through Victoria, Tx. Please read. TIA

    TOLL FREE..... call them 1(800)754-1182 if you live in the US
     
  21. iluvmua

    iluvmua New Member

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    If Gabriel was killed, Do you think it was pre- planned or do you think she just snapped?
     
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