AZ-Homeless veteran denied benefits, but is given full military funeral

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  1. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    Homeless veteran denied benefits, but is given full military funeral
    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/north_phoenix/homeless-vet-denied-benefits%2C-but-is-given-full--military-funeral#viewSingle101734361
    Video at the link.

    Here is Phoenix we have a huge center for the homeless. There are so many homeless veterans around there, it is heartbreaking. This is not what they deserve.

    :beats:Rest in peace Hersey Etoye Ross:beats:
     
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  3. newone

    newone 2nd mouse gets the cheese

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    This situation is more than ''wrong'' - I read about it today and felt terrible for him RIP
     
  4. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    UR awesome newone!
     
  5. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    It's a crying shame that many of our vets are homeless, while others who are perfectly heathy and could work are laying on their arses and having more and more kids to recieve more benefits!!!

    I'm not gonna get started on this. My BP will hit the roof.

    God bless our veterans. They deserve so much more than they get.
     
  6. Kat

    Kat Kind words do not cost much

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    Rest In Peace Hersey Ross. Thank you for your service to our Country.
     
  7. Belinda

    Belinda Doer of Things

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    The continual stories about the mistreatment of our military vets is extremely disheartening. It's fine while they are putting themselves on the line for us, but then they get screwed for it. This is so unacceptable. Our government seems to have plenty of money for completely ridiculous things, but we have military homeless on our streets. For shame.
     
  8. teedie2

    teedie2 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, dear. Will I get in trouble if I ask which benefits you would want for this military vet to get if he were still living? I am very interest in knowing the answer(s). Thanks in advance for not shooting me for asking.
     
  9. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    Housing assistance? Food and medical assistance?

    I guess I would have liked to have seen him have anything he needed to make his life bearable so that he was not on the streets to freeze in the winter or die of heat in the summer.

    There are crack heads and gang bangers living in public houseing, getting food stamps, and Medicaid all the while being able to work. But instead have more and more kids so they can get more benefits.

    Our veterans should be taken care of.

    IMO
     
  10. Kat

    Kat Kind words do not cost much

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    I'm not sure how they are using the word vet here. If he was a veteran of a foreign war. If he served in a combat arena and was a vet. Or if he served during peacetime of the Cold War era and had prior service but not technically a Veteran.

    It is my understanding that those are two distinct categories. Prior service, and Veteran status.

    At any rate, his benefits given his length of service were the full military burial. I don't know if he had a discharge that included a documented injury or illness brought about by his service. If so, he could have very well have qualified for medical care as well.

    Serving for nine years would not qualify him for retirement benefits. There are many outreach programs for our Vets, and also for those that do not qualify as vets but served our country.

    Before anyone thinks I'm being unkind or uncaring. I am a military wife, I have been one for almost 2 decades, while my Husband has 26 years in Active Duty. We also have a Son who is now Active Duty. So my heart is in the right place when I type out the above.

    The problem lies, for the most part, with getting these benefits to the qualifying vets and prior service members. If they are not located in an area where they can easily access this care, then often we are confronted with that they don't want to be given the care, don't want to take a "hand-out" as they sometimes put it.

    It's a delicate and dicey situation.

    But again, I say-Rest In Peace, and thank you for serving our country to Hersey.
     
  11. Melanie

    Melanie Inactive

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    Oh Bless -- this man served our country and this is how he is treated. I've witnessed many vets who actually choose to live on the streets, and have had conversations. Some find it too hard to fight, while others just don't know where to go - while others have obvious mental conditions. It's us as a community who need to help where the holes are open. There are SO many in San Diego (homeless, etc) that I gave money to. The ones who don't do the crack or drugs. I suggest places to go, numbers to call. Since I moved, I miss those special guys. One imparticular, who spent his days drawing and sitting with his dog. I always went into Rubio's and bought him a meal -- he really appreciated it.

    On that note, I think we should take care of our vets (regardless if they served in war or during civil times) first before we hand out welfare checks to illegal aliens. I find this personal as my husband is from the UK and has worked very hard to obtain his US citizenship.

    RIP my dear friend!

    Mel
     
  12. Belinda

    Belinda Doer of Things

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    I'm sure a military funeral is very nice, however I think they need to worry less about burying them and worry more about keeping them alive.
     
  13. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    Great point!
     
  14. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    I did not know this gentleman personally. But many of the homeless vets do qualify for, and receive many medical services at the VA here. I'm pretty sure that he would have been able to receive services there too. But many of the veterans are very proud. A lot of them are just simply no different from my boyfriend who only seems to want to go to the doctor when he knocking on death's door :rolleyes:.

    There are day programs around the resource center for our homeless that he may have qualified for. Everyone there is qualified to receive medical/ dental services, 3 meals a day, case managers and other activities at the campus. Water bottles are provided at the front desk to the area many people come to to escape the elements during the day. The center also has art classes, life skills workshops, counseling and recovery groups. Many of the homeless are on lists to receive free housing, but many are on those lists for over a year before they get into an apartment. One woman veteran I know has been homeless for almost two years waiting for her housing. Hersey may very well have been on such a housing list and/or another list for higher quility long term homeless shelter.

    Men can stay at the main homeless shelter for six months. They can stay longer if they have a job and are working towards getting their own place. At the end of the six months there are other smaller shelters that they can stay at for thirty days to 2 years. But mostly the men go to sleep at the overflow shelter where they sleep outside in an enclosed area.

    The entire area is heavily patrolled by LE. Absolutely no children are allowed onto the campus unless they are going to use medical clinic.

    But all of the benefits come at a cost.

    Many of the men at the overflow have just been released from prison, a great number of which are SOs. Many men, and of course women, do not like to spend all of their time at the campus/ shelters because of this element.

    It can get very violent in spite of the police presence. About two years ago one of the men working at the men's shelter was shot and killed protecting homeless clients when another man went on a shooting spree because no one would give him his medications. Since then they are constantly updating the security but it seems impossible to stop it all. On Thanksgiving a man just pulled out a gun and shot another man right outside the gates to the campus. Latter on in the day a police officer ran by me so fast my head spun on his way to stop a very violent fight.

    There are "family"/territory wars. Drugs. You name it. One time one of the men was yelling because he very clearly was having PTSD attacks from the Viet Nam war. Anther man didn't like this and there was a fight.

    I think there is a huge ever growing problem with bed bugs.

    Many just can't handle this environment. Many, especially the men, just would rather sleep on the streets.

    The park that Hersey died at is about half way in between the homelessness campus and the VA. I'm hoping that is an indication that he was receiving services at both the VA and the homelessness campus. Even if he wasn't living at one of the shelters. But even a small walk in this heat can be very dangerous.

    Anyway, sorry to have gone on so much, I guess I'm just trying to show that Arizona really does try to help the homeless. It just wasn't enough or provided in time to help Hersey. Massive funding continues to be pulled as a result of the economy, that is a huge contributor to the tragedies like this.
     
  15. newone

    newone 2nd mouse gets the cheese

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    I don't know the ''true'' situation but I have been reading numerous accounts of PTSD amoung returning vets and the denial of their claims by the military for medical benefits for such treatment. Perhaps there was a disability claim involved as well.

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/08/hundreds_of_gis_with_ptsd_like.html

    link above is for claims dismissed as personality disorders not ptsd

    http://www.legalhelpforveterans.com/

    I understand that there are law firms across usa attempting to resolve these denials - I will attempt to find the link of most up to date story.
     
  16. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    Right now with the housing lists closing down and rarely opening with availabilities, I'd like to see them put at the top f the lists. Right now they are prioritizing people who have been homeless for a year or longer, but that includes most of the people on the list.

    And for sure what Newone pointed out. Acknowledging that there can be serious psychological side affects to service in addition to the physical ones. I recently heard that they have proven that soldiers in our current war are experiencing PTSD even if they have not been exposed to combat.

    And don't be silly, questions are cool at Websleuth's. Sleuthy types are almost always as a rule curious inquisitors. :)
     
  17. Belinda

    Belinda Doer of Things

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    daisy.faithfull - Thanks so much for taking the time to educate us about the system in Arizona. My comment was rather sarcastic, but was just meant to voice my frustration with the system. I have heard the stories about vets coming home now and being denied their benefits. Many with severe injuries seem to be getting inadequate care and then being systematically dumped from the service without proper resources. Maybe I am making assumptions that the stories I have read are accurate. I have read that the government looks for every little reason to deny or reduce their benefits, just as Social Security Disability does. I don't feel the vets should have to deal with that when coming home from a war. They have had to deal with far too much already. I feel like things should be made as easy for them as possible. I understand there are always those who will take unfair advantage, but there has to be a better way to weed them out without hurting everyone else.

    I admit that I am not very knowledgeable about vets or homelessness. I live in an area that does not have a large homeless population. Before I became homebound, I did spend some time working at a local soup kitchen, which I loved doing, but I couldn't tell you whether they were homeless or just simply needy. I took great pride in the fact that I was one of the only people who wanted to serve meals. Everyone wanted to stay in the kitchen. Not me. I wanted to make sure everyone was comfortable and I was simply their waitress. I don't know if that makes sense, but it was important to me that they not feel denigrated in any way for going to a soup kitchen. It was a small thing, but it made me feel good and I enjoyed it so much. I hope it made them feel good too. At the time, I was able to procure quite a bit of free produce and so we were able to additonally send take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies with everyone.

    The issue of homelessness is a vast one, especially with the current economy. There are so many different facets that come into play. I think we all have an instinctual reaction when we hear the words 'homeless vet.' We really don't know the circumstances of this particular case, what his history was, or what services had been offered or supplied. It saddens me deeply that anyone would have no place to live.

    I have always been very interested in social issues and have done a bit of volunteer work. I had always planned to do a great deal more and had wanted to work in a very large soup kitchen in Baltimore. I don't know if you have every heard of Bea Gatty. She was a wonderful woman that started the program of which I speak. Since her death, her daughter has taken over. They do incredible work there. They had a terrible fire there just before Thanksgiving and my husband's company sent refrigerated trucks to store the food and they still pulled off Thanksgiving Dinner! Alas, my health has not permitted it, but I am still keenly interested in these issues.

    Sorry for the book. Shutting up now.
     
  18. Melly53

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    I noticed that one of the comments below the original link says that the headline is inaccurate because he was NOT denied any military benefits. From reading the comment it sounds as if it was made by someone that was very familiar with the situation and what went on.

    He served for 9 years in the Army and received an honorable discharge. None of the articles seem to be able to answer the question regarding whether he was actually a veteran or not. Just because he served 9 years in the military does not necessarily make him a veteran as another poster pointed out. I would be interested in knowing exactly when he did his 9 years of service. My boyfriend served 9 years in the Air Force which makes him ex-military but he is not a veteran because he did not serve during wartime and is therefore not eligible for any benefits granted to veterans.
     
  19. newone

    newone 2nd mouse gets the cheese

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    In the comments section there was a comment (1:36PM, Aug 12, 2010) re the director of the outreach program email.

    He (according to the Director's comments in the comments section) was a Vietnam vet.
    He was eligible for a military burial in the national cemetery at no cost (costs for the service were $650 and raised in a day).
     
  20. Belinda

    Belinda Doer of Things

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    Many vets, especially of the Vietnam era, have been plagued with mental illness in the years following their service. I don't believe mental illness was taken seriously at that time. Consequently, thousand of vets didn't receive the care they needed. Thankfully, the government is much more aware of the mental toll serving in a war exacts on the solider and seems to be taking steps to assist.
     
  21. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    Hi there Belinda!
    I've been homebound too for a bit, hopefully I'll be on my feet soon, I hope you're doing okay. Its frustrating not to be able to get out there...

    IMO you should be very proud of your volunteer work at the soup kitchen! I've noticed that to, there are people that volunteer, but they don't want to get out and talk to people or just give more than a terse smile. I've spent a lot of time with the homeless down here and I have never been able to understand people like that. I appreciate that they want to give, but sometimes it just makes me cringe when I see the hurt in someones eyes when one of the volunteers acts like that.

    And oh, I've never heard of Bea Gatty, but my friend that used to volunteer with me just moved out there recently. The pictures of the snow just blew my mind!

    Take care of yourself!
     

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