Found Deceased AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 *Arrest* #26

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  1. musicaljoke

    musicaljoke Well-Known Member

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    Heh! I think of a dog lifting it's leg every time I see someone marking their spot on the thread. An alternative is to click on the top of the thread where is says "View First Unread". That will take you to where you left off.

    Sad situation for Isabel. If only dogs could speak.
     


  2. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    The Tucson PD's media relations sergeant stated that Isabel was found in Tucson.
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  3. Crosby87

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    This is very informative. Becky could have let the dogs go outside in the backyard when she got up for work, before the neighbor heard more than one of their dogs barking frantically. These dogs that slept in the master bedroom seem much more alert than the 17 year old that's deaf and blind and was in the backyard when the crime occurred. Sergio went into the bedroom he shares with his wife at 5 am, and although he didn't say he did, he too might have let the dogs in the kennel outside in the backyard. This would explain why the neighbor heard all the dogs barking.
     
  4. Crosby87

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    I wonder if the men who the neighbor heard talking that morning contacted the police?
     
  5. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    I hope so because according to Moore's Security Solution's surveillance video, they didn't remove Isabel from the window.

    In the nearly 10 hours of footage, we never see any sign of Isabel. Even though it's from a distance, we never see anybody outside her bedroom window either.
    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31971686/newly-released-video-shows-celis-home-on-night-of-disappearance
     
  6. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    Kelly Snyder's partner, Don Baldwin, is...uh....interesting.


    The other individual whom Kelly Snyder (the Celis’ private detective) referred to still lives in Tucson. Snyder spoke to him on three separate occasions.

    Dan Baldwin helped Snyder start "Find Me." He uses Pendulum Dowsing, a way to find answers normally not available to our senses.
    Three years ago he did a (pendulum dousing) map on the Celis case.
    “My last (pendulum dousing map) report was that she was physically alive in Tucson," said Baldwin. "That's been years ago. At the time, I had (pendulum dousing map) reports that she was being moved around from location to location.”
    Baldwin said he got exact addresses and GPS coordinates. He did this all from his workspace.
    Tucson Police say they checked one of the locations and found nothing. Yet, Baldwin is convinced Pendulum Dowsing works.
    http://www.kvoa.com/story/28132093/crime-trackers-private-investigator-believes-he-knows-who-the-suspects-are-in-the-celis-kidnapping
     
  7. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Kelly Snyder (the Celis’ private investigator), who is a founder of Find Me, is a psychic detective with paranormal psychic abilities.


    Find Me: How Psychic Detectives from Around the World Have Banded Together to Find Missing People
    https://www.amazon.com/Find-Me-Psychic-Detectives-Together/dp/1891724096


    Sheriff admits psychic detective group, Find Me, was no help.
    http://web.randi.org/swift/sheriff-admits-psychic-detective-group-was-no-help
     
  8. Gunslinging Granny

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    This is...uh...fascinating. Here is the list of the psychic detectives in the agency that Sergio and Becky hired to find Isabel. Click on the names and read the profiles. I wonder why 1/4 of them don't list their last names?
    https://www.findmegroup.org/news/
     
  9. Crosby87

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    If these males did not take Isabel at 6 am, she was taken earlier when everyone in the house was fast asleep and their elderly dog who can't hear or see was alone in the backyard.

    I don't think the person or persons who took Isabel stood outside her bedroom window and had a conversation.
    All the videos and surveillance cameras close to the Celis House that were operating that night seemingly haven't provided any substantial clues which is disappointing and unfortunate.

    Imo, this crime took place in a 'wink of an eye' and much earlier. A physically fit, athletic person could easily jump the fence, remove the screen, pick up a sleeping child, climb out the window, and exit the property in less than a minute. The backyard is small isn't it? Whoever did this was in and out of the bedroom in record speed.

    Sergio didn't describe what Isabel was wearing in the 911 calls I listened to and the 911 operator didn't ask what she had on. Do five year olds wear diapers to bed?

    Perhaps Isa's parents were in the habit of waking their daughter up each night and taking her to the bathroom so when someone picked her up or woke her up, she automatically got up and went with them when she wasn't fully alert.

    Isabel attended school and was out late Friday night so she was likely in a deep sleep and groggy when she was removed from her bed. Her father asleep close to her in the family room, didn't hear anything.
     
  10. Gunslinging Granny

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    Well-known Valley medium Allison DuBois visited the Celis home just weeks after the parents woke up to find their daughter missing.

    DuBois, who was the focus of the television series Medium, said she gave the family a detailed profile of the person she feels knows more than they're letting on, who she describes as an extended relative or family friend.

    "I never got her leaving Tucson, I'll say that," DuBois said. "I never got her leaving Tucson, so I believe she's still there."

    She hopes people in Tucson stay on top of clues as time passes and lips loosen.

    http://www.cbs5az.com/story/2533735...that-could-lead-to-break-in-isabel-celis-case
     
  12. Crosby87

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    FOOTPRINTS FOUND AT THE CELIS HOME

    R. CELIS: And the door is locked to the outside. They have to have jumped over the fence. I don`t know what they did.

    UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: For someone who`s a little bit taller than I was, they might have, you know, longer legs and be able to reach and catapult themselves over this wall.

    GRACE: If somebody decides to break into a house that`s got a five-foot- plus wall fortification around it, and if they are taller than you and if they get on top of that meter box, then they can get in.

    In another report, an officer details how a set of footprints was discovered on top of a small electrical box at the rear southeast corner of the Celis home. The footprints appeared to be from a "Wolverine brand work boot or similar type shoe."

    Three matching boot prints were discovered in the soft sand or dirt about 5 feet south of the electrical box. Crime scene units processed the prints.

    K-9 units also discovered possible matching prints on top of a gas meter on the west side of the house.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

    http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/...cle_91fee6b2-df37-5c40-bc2a-20e15fe69299.html
     
  13. Gunslinging Granny

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    Did you read or hear somewhere that Isabel was still wearing diapers? Bedwetting is sometimes associated with sexual abuse.
     
  14. Knox

    Knox Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is. I had no idea he was a physic detectiv Interesting. Did he work for free or did they pay him?

    GGS, none of the links you post . It would be helpful if you could fix them so we don't have to copy and paste into a browser window.
     
  15. Gunslinging Granny

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    That link works just like my other links. I just clicked it again and it works. There is some problem on your end. Here is the link broken up that you can use.

    http://

    www.cbs5az.com/story/20423707/

    az-psychics-help-find-missing-persons-solve-homicides
     
  16. Gunslinging Granny

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    Hmm, her links work fine for me. I'm using Tapatalk though.
    According to the organization's website, they work for free.
    (FYI, Knox, the rant below isn't aimed at you, I just went on a tear after psychics came up, lol!)

    Well, imo it's a good thing they don't charge because their psychic abilities don't seem to be very useful. One of the organization's psychics claimed in 2015 that he used a 'dowsing pendulum' to track her live body from location to location! I find it rather despicable how he wasted police resources and, if they are uninvolved, gave the family false hope with his bogus info.
    Excuses, excuses, excuses. How much time and energy does this pendulum dowsing take that instead of waiting years for a formal invitation to do another session he can't just do it until he FINDS her? I mean, I realize we're ONLY talking about a missing child he believes is still alive, no need to rush...
    And where's the exhaustive list of missing children he's actually found using this method to shut up us disbelievers on the sidelines?

    Here is another psychic unrelated to FindMe who decided to get her 15 minutes of fame off little Isa's back by spewing nonsense that didn't pan out:
    In the same article they quote Allison DuBois, who was hired by the family (not sure if paid or unpaid?) and unsurprisingly she came to the conclusion that her publicity gravy train was not involved.
    That's nice. I mean, it would help if Isa's spirit could tell us who DID do it but whatever. At least we know the guy who's singing your praises to TNN wasn't responsible.

    Now, I'm not saying these people are intentionally trying to deceive or hurt anyone, maybe they believe their own hype, but clearly they at best have severely distorted perceptions of their abilities and usefulness to LE. That they want to run to the media with their specious "insights" without any kind of confirmation they're on the right track makes me doubt they are interested in truth over self-promotion. In general it just disgusts me when these kind of people take advantage of grieving families.

    Edited to add a link claiming Snyder from FindMe and DuBois were working together:
    http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:gt800jUH
     
  19. I have daughters ages six and four year old . Neither wear nappies /diapers to bed and haven't since they were 2 and 3. We lift the four year old out to the toilet most nights and she doesn't wake up,just goes
    On another note, last night I was searching for some art n craft stuff and turned on the light in their room to look in the wardrobe. They were both asleep at the time and neither of them budged. I know all kids are different though I babysit for my friends girls occasionally same ages and they are the same,once they are asleep,they don't generally wake up until morning.
     
  20. Gunslinging Granny

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    I find it bothersome that....

    There are a some VERY reputable missing-person agencies who would have helped (for free) in the search for Isabel, yet the family instead asked a paranormal psychic detective agency without a good reputation.

    That the Celis parents stated that the paranormal psychic detective agency director was a federal agent for 25 years, implying he was a retired FBI, when he is actually a retired US (federal) Customs Agent.

    The Celis parents used "paranormal evidence" from pendulum swinging to imply that Becky's nephew was somehow involved in Isabel's disappearance and death.
     
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