GUILTY Bali - Bali Nine, Australians arrested for heroin trafficking, 2005

New Posts

Agree .. Drug addiction doesn't just 'happen' in my opinion it is a reaction of a person trying to medicate themselves in an unbearable emotional condition or whose life is already torture for some reason, for example because they have been damaged by abuse or trauma etc .. I'm sure we could find a better way as a society to work on this problem than the war on drugs.
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Agree .. Drug addiction doesn't just 'happen' in my opinion it is a reaction of a person trying to medicate themselves in an unbearable emotional condition or whose life is already torture for some reason, for example because they have been damaged by abuse or trauma etc .. I'm sure we could find a better way as a society to work on this problem than the war on drugs.
Click to expand...

I couldn't agree more with this or the post above it..

These boys, although their actions were illegal and could affect more lives than just their own... Made a stupid mistake.

Should they die for that? NO
Should they be punished for their actions? Absolutely, but not by death.

From all reports it seems these boys have tried to turn their lives about, they have done more good for others and bettering themselves in their time in prison than my brother has done about ridding himself of his addiction.

I truly feel sorry for the lady who lost her daughter, but TBH there's not a day that goes by I don't wish my brother would accidentally OD to put himself and my dad out of pain.

I was 10 years old when he became an addict, I'm 32 now... I've have experienced him killing himself and losing everything systematically over the last 22 years.
He will never meet his nephews, nieces and his own kids are in state care (furiously trying to get them into my state)

These two boys being sentenced to death will not change any of the above...

We need to be honest, we can't stop the supply of drugs completely... We need to focus on the core problem... Addiction
 
Brightbird said:
Does anyone else think this whole 'delay because the killing field isn't ready yet' is saving face for something else? My worry is that they're waiting to reject the legal appeals with no intention of considering them, just so that they can't be criticised for executing people with appeals pending.
Click to expand...

I think they are just trying to calm things down a bit, so they can execute Andrew and Myuran and still get a billion dollars aid - and many, many medical, rescue, and construction workers - from Australia when a tsunami devastates their country.

While still giving big-time drug dealers and smugglers a get-out-of-jail-by-giving-lots-of-money card.

Snowing in Bali by Kathryn Bonella - read it if you want your eyes opened very, very wide.
 
JLSChook said:
^^ Yeah, because I'm sure they tied her daughter down and shot heroin into her arm. I'm sorry, I feel bad for her, but that is ridiculous.

Like there isn't or won't be any more drug traffickers left on the planet if these 2 are put to death. :facepalm:
Click to expand...

I seriously doubt that jailing (or executing) Andrew and Myuran has made or will make even the slightest dent in Bali's drug trade, or the amount of drugs that are flowing into Australia from South America via Bali.
 
As long as there are drug users, there will be a drug trade. I'm so tired of the argument that drug traffickers are ruining lives. The addicts are doing that themselves. I have great compassion for drug addicts, but no-one is forcing them to keep using. We don't blame bottle shops because people ruin their lives with alcohol. I also find it hypocritical of someone who lost a child to drugs to "pray" for their execution to happen. Andrew and Myuran's families will suffer just as much as someone who loses their child to an overdose. If it's true that those judges offered a lighter sentence for a bribe, then they are far worse than Andrew and Myuran. Those judges effectively put a dollar value on their lives and tried to sell them.
 
Unfortunately, problems with drugs are far exacerbated by prohibition. Draconian laws like this only make selling drugs even more enticing, because the risk is high the price is high as well. So not only is there a huge profit potential, this also means users have to go to more extreme measures to pay for drugs, which leads to even more crime. Time to stop treating drugs as criminal issue and start treating them as a public health issue.
 
OMG, what stupid idle posturing. What the heck do they think Australia is going to do?? After all, our AFP handed Andrew and Myuran to them on a platter in the first place.
After the way General Moeldoko handled the QZ8501 retrieval, I don't have a lot of respect for the man.


A source intimate with the planning of the move said authorities were discussing flying the condemned Australians out of Denpasar on two long-range choppers, with Indonesian Air Force Sukhoi fighters flanking them on the flight to Java.

The head of the TNI, the Indonesian military, four-star General Moeldoko, said on Friday that his forces were prepared to meet any “threats” during the transfer and would have military and weapons systems in place to prevent outside incursions.

There is no chance Indonesian authorities seriously believe that Australian Special Forces would attempt to stage a rescue of Chan and Sukumaran.
But the general’s high-handed rhetoric was designed to remind Australia that all arms of the Indonesian government were fully behind President Widodo’s commitment to seeing the executions through.

“We will hold a meeting to discuss the possibility of threats,” the general said. “Of course, we do not indicate or refer to a particular country. However, the military deeply understands the possibility of threats.”

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/i...t-fighter-escort/story-fnh81fz8-1227233824067
 
IF they're going to do it they should just do it, if they're not they need to stop the posturing, all this limbo and delay is just causing more problems and heightening the stress around this situation.
 
The arrival of Indonesian fighter jets in Bali has prompted speculation they are preparing to escort or transfer Bali Nine death row inmates Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan to the prison island Nusakambangan.

Four Air Force Sukhoi jets were spotted at Denpasar International Airport in Bali’s capital, News Corp reported.

It is understood the pair’s families have been told the transfer will “definitely happen” this week. :(

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/02/23/08/06/fighter-jets-ominous-sign-for-bali-nine-inmates
 
Seems that some of the pressure from Australian politicians has created a bit of a backlash in Indonesia and they are pushing forward.
 
In two years' time, a big-time Indonesian heroin smuggler will become eligible for parole in the Australian prison system. If it is granted, he'll be taken to the airport and flown back home to his family.

Kristito Mandagi is one of three Indonesians who, like condemned Bali nine members Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, were caught trying to import heroin to Australia.

Unlike the Australian pair, they were lucky to have been caught by the Australian police, not by those in Bali. (lucky ... :rolleyes: .... thanks AFP)

They are particularly lucky because their heroin importation was 47 times bigger than Chan's and Sukumaran's. :thud:

But instead of readying themselves to be taken out at dawn and their bodies riddled with bullets – the fate now facing Chan and Sukumaran – the three Indonesians are starting to think about heading home.

They have spent their sentences in Australian prisons in what even they concede is relative comfort.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/indo...maran-face-death-penalty-20150222-13kc3h.html
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Seems that some of the pressure from Australian politicians has created a bit of a backlash in Indonesia and they are pushing forward.
Click to expand...

I think they may have been dead by now without the pressure. And I'm not sure that anything is going to stop the executions. They are damned if we try to stop the killings, damned if we don't.

But I think we have to at least try.

And I am not that unhappy with the Abbott/Bishop tag team. Abbott blunders in and tells it like it is, Bishop follows up and smooths things over with diplomacy but does not shift our position.

They did this in the MH17 disaster, and it had some effect with the UN ... with Australia gaining full support.
 
Well, I think this is it. The last legal chance is under review today.


Lawyers for two Australians facing the death penalty in Indonesia hope to find out today if they will be granted one last chance to challenge their executions.

Prominent human rights lawyer Todung Mulya Lubis is hoping to stop the executions altogether, and said the president's refusal to grant clemency was against his human rights election platform.

"I do believe we have a strong legal ground to go to full trial. Both Sukumaran and Andrew Chan have changed a great deal and I believe in [the] 10 years serving their sentence in Kerobokan prison, they have done a lot.

Mr Mulya admitted he had lost sleep thinking about saving his clients' lives and said they had a slim chance of success.

"But I hate not to try. I hate not to do it, because when we talk about human life we ought to do everything possible, so that is what we are doing."

Mr Mulya has five lawyers working to save Chan and Sukumaran from the firing squad.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-...bid-for-final-challenge-to-executions/6240940
 
Breaking News: Final appeal rejected. This decision can be appealed within 14 days, and the lawyers plan to do so. After the appeal was rejected, two fighter jets flew low over Kerobokan jail (as if to rub it in, said the reporter).

Ch 9 TV News
 
Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran’s lawyer begs to Indonesian President to focus on humanity of case

February 25, 2015

TEN coffins have now arrived in Cilacap in readiness for the coming executions on the prison island of Nusakambangan.

News Corp Australia revealed last week that a mortician in Cilacap, B. Suhendroputro, had taken delivery of three coffins.

Since then another seven have arrived. One is extra large, made to hold a big foreigner.

The Indonesian Attorney-General announced a short time ago that 10 people would face the firing squad, rather than the originally scheduled 11.

He didn’t say who had been exempted from the list

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a...humanity-of-case/story-fnh81fz8-1227238718698
 
marlywings said:
Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran’s lawyer begs to Indonesian President to focus on humanity of case

February 25, 2015

TEN coffins have now arrived in Cilacap in readiness for the coming executions on the prison island of Nusakambangan.

News Corp Australia revealed last week that a mortician in Cilacap, B. Suhendroputro, had taken delivery of three coffins.

Since then another seven have arrived. One is extra large, made to hold a big foreigner.

The Indonesian Attorney-General announced a short time ago that 10 people would face the firing squad, rather than the originally scheduled 11.

He didn’t say who had been exempted from the list

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a...humanity-of-case/story-fnh81fz8-1227238718698
Click to expand...

Maybe it's that mentally ill Brazilian man.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

DNASolves

Who is Escambia County John Doe (1989)?

Members online

... and 198 more.
Total: 3,771 (members: 199, guests: 3,572)

Online statistics

Members online
199
Guests online
3,572
Total visitors
3,771
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
591,820
Messages
17,959,599
Members
228,621
Latest member
MaryEllen77
Back
Top