Bosma Murder Trial 02.24.16 - Day 14

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    [h=1]Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call[/h]
    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
    Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
    Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
    Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News

    Also, check this site for real time updates.

    http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/
     
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    Hi all - I will transcribe Adam Carter's live blog today. I don't have Twitter so that's the easiest one for me to follow. :) If I have to stop for any reason I'll let you know in this thread.

    I'm back in court this morning for the Tim Bosma trial. Follow along for updates.
    by Adam Carter 9:11 AM
     
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    In case you need a recap, here's my story from yesterday:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...nd-in-incinerator-could-not-be-id-d-1.3460556
    by Adam Carter 9:54 AM

    We're in the courtroom now, so we'll be underway shortly.
    by Adam Carter 9:55 AM

    The jury was in and out lots yesterday, as legal arguments dominated most of the day. We'll soon see if today runs a little smoother in open court.
    by Adam Carter 9:57 AM

    Justice Goodman is in the room now. Just waiting on the jury.
    by Adam Carter 10:01 AM
     
  10. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 2h2 hours ago
    I will be at the Tim #Bosma murder trial today starting at 10am. Wondering though if all lawyers/witnesses/jurors will make it in. #HamOnt

    ***Weather bad down that way?
     
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    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Ann Brocklehurst &#8207;@AnnB03 1m1 minute ago
    Despite the weather, #timbosma trial ready to hear witnesses, starting on time
     
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    Freezing rain/snow mix
     
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    The jury is now being brought in. Evidence starting shortly.
    by Adam Carter 10:03 AM

    The first witness today is Barry Stoltz.
    by Adam Carter 10:06 AM

    Det. Const. Stoltz is a Hamilton police officer who was involved in the Bosma investigation on May 7, 2013.
    by Adam Carter 10:07 AM
     
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    It was just rain until about 8:30 it turned to snow now is like freezing rain. But hopefully everyone made it in before the roads for really bad.
     
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    He was at a police briefing early that morning about the Bosma investigation.
    by Adam Carter 10:10 AM

    He was asked to follow up with a representative from Kijiji, one of the places Bosma was selling his truck. Stoltz was also asked to look for video.
    by Adam Carter 10:13 AM

    One place he checked was Super Sucker Inc. in Ancaster. There was video, but the owner told him that the video's time clock was three hours behind.
    by Adam Carter 10:15 AM
     
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    The camera in question was on a motion detector, so it isn't on if the motion detector isn't tripped.
    by Adam Carter 10:16 AM

    "I noted that at 6:20 p.m. there was a black pickup truck that went northbound past the building." The corrected time would be 9:20 p.m. "It was followed closely by a second vehicle," Stoltz says.
    by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

    Stoltz got a copy of that video from the business on a USB stick.
    by Adam Carter 10:18 AM
     
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    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 10m10 minutes ago
    First witness today is Barry Stoltz. #bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
    Stoltz 15 years as police officer. May 7, 2013 was detective constable, Criminal Investigation Branch, @HamiltonPolice mountain station.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
    Ass't Crown Tony Leitch getting approval for officer to look at his notes. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
    Stoltz started shift at 7 am. Briefing on Tim #Bosma missing person investigation.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
    Finished meeting at 7:30 am. At 9:12 am had briefing with @HamiltonPolice homicide unit about #Bosma. Finished at 9:44 am.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
    He was tasked with following up with rep from Kijiji and check for a video. At 10:48 am he was at Ancaster Fairgrounds checking for video.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
    Was no video at fairgrounds. Then went to SuperSucker, also Ancaster. Manager said they had surveillance video, but it was 3 hours behind.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
    Pulled up video for 6 pm to 6:49 pm.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Camera operated on a motion detector. At 18:20 a black pick-up was northbound past building. Corrected time would be 9:20 pm.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 57s58 seconds ago
    Truck followed by a second vehicle. Got manager to burn him copy of video.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 7s8 seconds ago
    At 2:30 pm Stoltz called him and said he had video on a data stock. Went and got it at 4:15 pm. At 7:46 pm he reviewed video.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    At 18:20:31 truck enters video, second video right after. Adjusted time is 9:20:31 pm. Gave copy to Det. Pacey.

    molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    He seized the video from SuperSuckers, on a data stick. Reviewed it again back at police station. 2 vehicles were 2 secs apart. #Bosma

    molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Those times, adjusted, are 9:20:31 and 9:20:33 pm, he says. #Bosma
     
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    Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay now cross examining.
    by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

    Pillay asking about the officer's notes and how often he has referred to them. "You understand you have a professional obligation to maintain notes of your duties?" Pillay asks. "Yes," Stoltz responds.
    by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

    Pillay asks if the notes need to be recorded as quickly as possible in a timely manner. The officer says yes.
    by Adam Carter 10:22 AM
     
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    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 34s35 seconds ago
    Cross by Ravin Pillay, representing Dellen Millard. Suggests he's relying heavily on his notes: time, who was at briefing, etc...#Bosma

    Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Pillay asking if Stoltz knows he's required to keep detailed, accurate, complete notes in a timely manner. Stoltz says yes. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 59s60 seconds ago
    Pillay: "Your notes shouldn't be influenced by subsequent events?" Stoltz: "Right." #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
    Received training in proper note taking.

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
    Notes can play a role in decisions made during investigation? Yes. And in prosecution? Yes. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
    Can use notes to prepare search warrants, make a judicial application. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
    Notes disclosed to defence before trial. "Your notes are critical to your credibility when you testify."
     
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    RP back on the inept LE and their poor note taking skills again? :waitasec:

    MOO
     
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    "Sometimes, an event occurs and then we look back to it a few months later, and we know a lot more information, and that information can colour our recollection, yes?" Pillay says. Stoltz again says yes.
    by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

    "You understand that inaccurate notes -- inadvertently -- could affect testimony in court?" Pillay asks. "It could," Stoltz responds.
    by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

    "You understand that your notebook can be very important in supporting the prosecution of a matter, correct?" Pillay asks. "Yes," Stoltz responds.
    by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

    Pillay is asking a lot of questions on Stoltz's notebook. He's really hammering home the importance of accurate notes here.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

    "You obviously understand that if a matter goes to trial, your notes will go to the defence?" Pillay asks. "Yes," Stoltz responds.
    by Adam Carter 10:28 AM
     
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