Bosma Murder Trial 05.03.16 - Day 44

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Pillay suggests when she first saw him that night that he was "visibly distraught." She says he looked lethargic, weary, has a "sad look."

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown had earlier asked if Millard really meant shredding paper, or was he alluding to something else. Noudga maintains it was shredding

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Pillay suggests she didn't pick up on that in his texts. that he had put on a front. She agrees. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 7m7 minutes ago
Noudga says when she next saw #Millard he seemed tired, "lethargic."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
When Noudga saw Millard May 9 she could tell he was "lethargic and sad." She couldn't tell that from text messages. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
The week after #TimBosma vanished Millard was "lethargic, weary and had a sad look to him" #Bosma

 

[Nosey Parker]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
May 9, 2013. Texts all week but hadn't seen Millard until this night. "He was lethargic and weary and had a sad look to him," says Noudga.

He must have been on Viagra then

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
May 9th. She explains DM appeared "sad. Lethargic. Weary" texts didn't show mood. But he wasnt himself. Looked tired. Bloodshot eyes.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
But he suggests when he came to pick her up he was tired, had bloodshot eyes. Looked like he hadn't slept in days.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
When Noudga finally saw Millard that week, after Bosma disappeared, she said he was weary, he had sad eyes. Quiet, somber. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 7m7 minutes ago
Noudga agrees with Pillay that #Millard had bloodshot eyes when they met. "He looked physically exhausted," she notes.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
She doesn't recall if she thought he looked exhausted but gathered that from his messages (about the long mission).

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Millard was tired, had bloodshot eyes. Was quiet & somber. "You knew something was wrong." "He didn't want to talk about it."

 

[matou]

I need to step away from the computer for the day or else my eyeballs may roll out of their sockets with this line of questions.

I rolled my eyeballs at Noudga actually saying "Alas" on the stand. LMAO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
He was tired, blood shot eyes. Texts said he needed a nap. He was quiet, sombre. "I thought he may have overworked himself that week."

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: You knew something was wrong? Noudga: He didn't want to talk about it. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
She says she thought he had maybe overworked himself that week. "He didn't want to talk about it," she says. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
Seemed quiet. Sombre. He didn't want to talk about it. DM she says seemed down. Told her nothing. @AM900CHML

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
His eyes were bloodshot, he was quiet, somber and he didn't want to talk about it. "He may have overworked. I felt bad for him," she says

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 7m7 minutes ago
Pillay posits that Noudga "knew something was wrong," but she doesn't necessarily agree. "He didn't wanna talk about it...Nothing." #Millard

 

[meterclicks]

Noudga says Hagerman and Millard "appeared to be in joyful spirits."
by Adam Carter 12:01 PM

"You don't know if he was trying to put on being in a joyful spirit for Mr. Hagerman or not?" Pillay says. "I don't, no," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:02 PM

Pillay now asking about the black nitrile gloves she and Millard wore when they moved the incinerator. Noudga agrees that she had seen gloves around the hangar before.
by Adam Carter 12:03 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
Noudga says she felt bad and thought Millard had overworked himself that week. She initially tried to talk to him but he didn't reciprocate

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
"He didn't want to talk about it," says Noudga. He told her nothing. Mood was like that all night. "He got more affectionate toward me."

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: Millard was not his usual self? Noudga: Right #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
She initially tried to talk but then he didn't want to talk. Says his mood stayed all night. Became more affectionate but still "somber."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
She insists she didn't think something was going on, she just thought he was mentally and physically exhausted. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
But he maintained his somber mood. "I just thought he was mentally and physically exhausted."

 

[Typhoo1961]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Noudga says she did see a paper shredder that MIllard had just bought. Pillay is showing photo from Maple Gate. There's a paper shredder.

Seriously? <rolls eyes>

 

[meterclicks]

Pillay now asking about the volume of letters.
by Adam Carter 12:04 PM

"I knew that police wanted to meet and make a statement, but I didn't want to be involved," Noudga says about that time period.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

Noudga says it became clear as she read that Millard was becoming "more in despair." "He was losing hope?" Pillay asks. "Yes," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
She assumed he was mentally and physically exhausted.

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 8m8 minutes ago
Noudga describes #Millard as "somber" that day. "He didn't tell me" what was wrong. She just thought he was "exhausted." "I just let him be"

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 8m8 minutes ago
He wasn't his usual self, she says. "I thought he was mentally and physically exhausted," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
"Not his usual self, right?" "Yeah," Noudga. "I didn't think something was going on, I thought he was mentally and physically exhausted"

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
On way to Waterloo Pillay suggests they "became intimate" in the car. She initiated it. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
He suggests because she thought he seemed sad. She says because she hadn't seen him in a week. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga says she initiated the sexual act in his truck, on the drive to Waterloo. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
The oral sex was initiated by her, because she wanted to get close to him, she says. "He was a little happier after that."

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
'He was happier after that.' #Bosma

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 8m8 minutes ago
Talking about performing a sex act on #Millard while they drove, Noudga says it was because she hasn't seen him in a while.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Afterwards he was still withdrawn, Pillay suggests. She says he was "a little happier after that." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
Ride to Waterloo, they became intimate in car. She wanted to be close to him. "He was a little happier after that," Noudga says

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Pillay suggests when she first saw him that night that he was "visibly distraught." She says he looked lethargic, weary, has a "sad look."

Wow...she can remember how he looked and how she "cheered him up" but can't remember one thing that he said or if she used a flashlight at the barn. Okay...whatever.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Similarly at Waterloo he didn't tell her anything. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
By the time they got home she was exhausted. Next morning exhausted. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
Noudga says she was "very, very exhausted" when they returned to Maple Gate morning of May 10. #TimBosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 9m9 minutes ago
Noudga says she initiated a sex act in the truck on the trip to Waterloo because "I hadn't seen him in a week." #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 9m9 minutes ago
When they finally got to Maplegate, she was "very, very exhausted." Millard was trying to hold her, they had sex again.

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 9m9 minutes ago
When they got home, Noudga says she was exhausted couldn't tell if #Millard was still down. They were intimate again.

 

[Inspector_North]

Oh give me a break. He had the same blank look he had after many more hours of mission digestion on the 10th with one hour sleep. MOO

 

[JPC]

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
He was tired, blood shot eyes. Texts said he needed a nap. He was quiet, sombre. "I thought he may have overworked himself that week."

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: You knew something was wrong? Noudga: He didn't want to talk about it. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
She says she thought he had maybe overworked himself that week. "He didn't want to talk about it," she says. #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
Seemed quiet. Sombre. He didn't want to talk about it. DM she says seemed down. Told her nothing. @AM900CHML

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
His eyes were bloodshot, he was quiet, somber and he didn't want to talk about it. "He may have overworked. I felt bad for him," she says

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 7m7 minutes ago
Pillay posits that Noudga "knew something was wrong," but she doesn't necessarily agree. "He didn't wanna talk about it...Nothing." #Millard

Aha, so she does remember small details. It is good that they are pointing out that he wasn't a complete horn dog after allegedly murdering someone. Thanks RP for showing us that he is able to show compassion. Whatever!

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Pillay suggests he wanted to be close to her. They became intimate again. #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 9m9 minutes ago
Noudga initiated intimacy. she hadn't seen him in a week. Wanted to cheer him up. "He was a little happier after that' she says. @AM900CHML

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 9m9 minutes ago
She adds "he was a little happier after that." #TimBosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
He didn't sleep much. They got home around 5 and he was gone by 6 or 7. They were intimate again that morning, she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
They were intimate again after they got home... Millard didn't sleep much, he was gone again early morning. After sex again.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Pillay suggests they were not, that she is getting dates mixed up. She says she's pretty sure they did. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 9m9 minutes ago
Got home 4 or 5 a.m., Millard left 6 a.m. She says they had sex again, Pillay suggests they didn't. It was last time they saw each other.

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
That was the last Noudga saw Millard before arrest. #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 9m9 minutes ago
Next morning was the last time Noudga says she saw #Millard. She says they were intimate again. Pillay suggests they weren't &she's confused

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Pillay asks her about stop at Hagerman's. By that point she was "pretty much falling asleep." #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 9m9 minutes ago
After a long night moving eliminator and dropping tool box, noudga says they had sex. Pillay disagrees. She is pretty sure they did.

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
Noudga says she was pretty much falling asleep when they were dropping the toolbox at Hagerman's. She stayed in car. #TimBosma

 

[meterclicks]

"You were sort of like a lifeline for him?" Pillay asks. "Yes," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:06 PM

"The challenge is no longer the day to day of prison life, it is bearing the loneliness," Millard writes in one letter. "This was a theme throughout the letters - his loneliness, his isolation, correct?" Pillay asks. Noudga agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

"Give me a window into some other place. Send me pictures - I'm locked in a box," Millard says in another letter.
by Adam Carter 12:09 PM

 

[matou]

CN can't remember details about the time around the murder yet I'm pretty sure she remembered every reason why she got jealous surrounding her boyfriend's behaviour and other women. I call BS. Give me a break. Also, she was taking physiology courses in school where attention to detail is absolute. GMAB. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
She stayed in the car while DM took the toolbox up the driveway to Hagerman. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 9m9 minutes ago
Before they got to Maplegate, they went to Matt Hagerman's. Noudga says she was falling asleep. She stayed in car. Millard took toolbox.

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 9m9 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer has either glossed over the part of the night when the couple moved the Eliminator or he's planning to re-visit it. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole &#8207;@MarkCarcGlobal 9m9 minutes ago
Referring now to when they stopped on the way home for #Millard to give his friend a box, his back was to her.

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
Millard walked up driveway with toolbox. Brief exchange. "They seemed to be in joyful spirits," Noudga says

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
She says they seemed to be in "joyful spirits." #Bosma