Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #12

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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    :rose: Remembering Tim Bosma and waiting for Justice :rose:

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    TIM AND HIS DAUGHTER
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    The thing that is still lacking about Smich is his motive. Millard is getting a $20k truck, while all we hear about Smich is that he might have got $300? Smich isn't the brightest bulb in the box, and if this plan was to include murder from the beginning, I can't imagine home settling for such a ridiculously low cut.

    We've heard talk of the Caddy being his payment, but why wouldn't Millard just sell the caddy and buy the truck? There is a text the morning of the 6th to MM where he says "I got a ride now". This seems an odd thing to say because he doesn't drive, of course he has a ride if he's on his way. Could he have meant that he had a car now?

    I'm sure will find out more from one or both of the defence presentations.


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    Loyalty to his mentor?
     
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    Crown lawyers aren't low on the pay scale at all. Walk into any big courthouse and you'll see dozens of criminal lawyers fighting to earn more than 50K a year. Criminal lawyer supply far exceeds demand.

    Sure, Crowns make way less than Marie Henein and John Rosen, but the top 1 pct of lawyers is hardly a fair comparison.

    Crowns make a good steady salary and have fantastic benefits. It's a highly coveted job. And while I wouldn't say Crowns are all brilliant, there is no shortage of highly qualified candidates.
     
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    I agree with some of your observations, however;

    - front or back seat, the shell casing likely would eject in to the back seat due to it being ejected to the right of where the gun is pointed.
    - significant GSR was found on the roof liner on front drivers side.
    - we don't know that only one shot was fired
    - we don't know it was a head shot. Smith's team hinted at a neck shot early in the trial
    - certainly both can be found guilty of murder even if one shot was fired.

    It doesn't seem the crown has made any attempt to show which of them actually pulled the trigger because it doesn't really matter. Because it happened during the commission of the robbery, that both of them were in on, they are both guilty of 1st degree murder. So the way I see it, Smich's only hope is to deny he was even there. The fact that Millard talks about framing him in the letters makes no difference if Smich was in on the robbery. Even Millard knows this, thus the importance of getting AM to change his testimony.
     
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    not sure I understand why neither crown or defence brought up the breach and extra charges on MS for his contact with MM while she was on the stand....he was actually charged for it..so why was she not questioned?
     
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    Crown attorneys have it good. Its public defenders that are the bottom feeders.
     
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    I suspect that MM went to the cops when contacted. In the case of CN & DM, the communications were kept secret and went both ways. Big difference.
     
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    BBM "All" the evidence? What about that pesky concentration of gunshot residue in the front, closer to the driver's side? Cartridge ejected from the right side of the gun (which is towards the back in the case of a front seat shooter.) MOO
     
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    We don't have public defenders in Canada.
     
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    Plus the passenger seat window was shattered.
     
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    Interesting that DM never writes that he did not shoot or kill Tim Bosma. Those words are not in the letters we have read about so far.
     
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    JMO ...I strongly believe this was PLANNED....ad tey are both equally GUILTY it shall all be proven ...JMHO..and I believe CN is way more GUILTY also ...I am HAPPY to see the post above that she is being seen as a HOSTILE witness..............JMHO this I cannot remember is a role of crap<<<<again my honest opinion....I do believe this is JUST THE BEGINNING of unraveling a gruesome MURDER PLanned...and we have only JUST BEGUN to see the whole story ....a Huge task force has been working on this for several years......curious to see if Madeline ( Dellen's mother shows up)<<<<I would think she shall be called to the court and put on the stand soon too.....Anyone have any info on Dellen's mom taking the stand....also curious during Tori Stradford trial in was done organized in chapters....I have not seen how the trial is proceeding aside for the media saying it will take 4 mths....Swede have you seen chapters organized ....I know you followed Tori trial along with me?...........Thanks Robynhood.....Matou do do you know as I know you were on Tori's trail too?.....
     
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    Noted. He doesn't explain to CN what happen, because she already knows. He's trying to control the repercussions.
     
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    Great point. Although, it's (possible) he meant what happened after the fact. When MS supposedly *screwed* up.
     
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    At this point in the trial

    I am 100% sure that shooting TB in the truck was unplanned.
    I am 50% sure that DM pulled the trigger. This is based on his letters, since they seem to be for CN's eyes only
    I am 80% sure that MS pulled the trigger. This based on how the "F%^$%% up" comments align, both BD's testimony and DM's letters.

    There is much evidence of both being at the test drive and at the hanger using the Eliminator. So both are guilty of many things. There is also some evidence that the planning for this mission was different than other missions we heard about.
    1) No Lookouts
    2) Items planned for the mission, Generator, gloves, tape, and change of clothes.

    There is MM's testimony of the mood in the Yukon on the morning of the 7th. Still struggling with this one.

    Hopefully we hear something that adds to the mission planning that shows it was a murder mission. MS sending pictures of fireside furniture and sausage frying just before the mission is still very troubling to me.

    Because the location TB was shot (in the truck), and that I believe it was unplanned to shoot him there, I am struggling with robbery or planned murder. I didn't want to be here at this point in the trial. But that's me, and my belief in knowing truth over seeing two low life's like DM and MS get worse case guess based on their creepy and disgusting world.

    If I allow my emotions to weigh in, both are 100% guilty of first degree.

    MOO
     
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    Another....At what point did she think the "tiny mission" he needed help with was complete that night?
     
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    the whole "oh the cartridge was found in the back" thing that could be explained any number of ways. I am not trying to be devils advocate or anything of the sort but there are so many factors in regards to the location of the cartridge ( driving, how the gun was shot, angle the gun was shot from etc ) The amount of GSR in the given area is far more telling.
     
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