Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #18

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    :rose: Remembering Tim Bosma and waiting for Justice :rose:

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    TIM AND HIS DAUGHTER
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    I don't understand this. According to MS's testimony he was driving behind until Millard stopped and got out with gun in hand (and TB already dead). Therefore being shot from outside the vehicle directly counters MS's testimony. Why would the crown ask this? Seems odd to call this a failure because being shot inside the vehicle fits the GSR evidence and is consistent with the crown's case.
     
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    i thought the crown implied that he was shot in the field while IN the truck. Did they say otherwise?
     
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    No. apparently I'm definitely dense lol
     
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    To confuse things more though -- Yesterday when the judge was talking about examples of cross examination (how a lawyer doesn't need to cover every detail, but the question not being asked can be taken into account by juror) One of the judge's examples (as well as TD not asking BD those other question) was Mr. Fraser didn't ask MS if TB was shot outside of the truck. I wrote it down as such as well as hearing it. I thought maybe I was dense too hearing that canadiangirl ;)
     
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    That does seem very confusing. Am I dense too?
     
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    My biggest problem from the onset of finding MS guilty of First degree is "reasonable doubt" on pre-meditation. When looking at the "totality" of the evidence how is it possible to say with certainty that MS knew and planned the purpose of the incinerator was to eliminate bodies when other people had the same if not more knowledge of it and did not even warrant an AATF? The same holds true with the "theft" of the truck, several people were in on the planning and all of them knew DM owned a gun (guns) yet didn't suspect him of a murder as this was never a part of any prior "Missions", Why would this mission be any different then any others?
     
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    So I'm not making it up lol just misinterpretation of the meaning it seems!
     
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    You need to know with certainty. Just beyond a reasonable doubt.

    And what makes it different - this is the only mission we know of where they were with the person they were going to steal from.
     
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    And this is my issue as well. Especially now given the charge is based on premeditation alone. The only thing IMO that made MS any different from the rest was he was there that night. And there is much more evidence to suggest the others knew way more then MS.
     
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    That is a pretty huge difference wouldn't you say.
     
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    No. Why does being there give you any more knowledge?
     
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    Igor was the other mission.
     
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    Well, I'd consider that the same mission as TB just didn't work out.
     
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    <modsnip>If I'm going away for the weekend, I'll tell someone who's not going that I'm going away. The person I'm going with, we will discuss what we will do while there.
     
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    He was there that night and.....
    He was there on his computer checking out incinerators
    He was there setting up meetings with the gun dealer for DM
    He was there after DM bought the gun(s) taking photos
    He was there googling about ammo for the handguns
    He was there searching for the right truck
    He was there doing the mission prep
    He was there on the dry run with Igor
    He was there when they drove towards Ancaster
    He was there when they walked up the driveway at Tim's place
    He was there driving the Yukon behind TB's truck
    He was there to pick up the Eliminator
    He was there to do cleanup of one sort or another in the week that followed
    He was there to scoop up the weed and the 'thing'

    That's just a quick list off the top of my head......13 times when MS was just there??? That's alot of 'just being there'.
    Your comment gives the impression that the only thing that distinguishes MS from the rest of the posse is that he was (just) there that night.
    And if my puny list is not enough to set him apart, apparently Toronto police services think that MS was there in connection with the disappearance and disposal of Laura Babcock.....not that that is a part of this trial but it certainly does say something (if only to Sleuthers at this point ) about MS's character at the time.

    I do happen to agree that are a few other people who knew of and contributed to Dell's dirty dealings....but I also recall from the past posts that knowing about a crime is not in itself a criminal act.....damn it !!!
     
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    It's not? According to Judge Goodman you'd be incorrect.
     
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    Who knew more than MS?
    -SS was part of the inner circle and worked on incineration techniques/equipment (MS researched incinerators and helped with prep) and cover-up but didn't plan missions as far as we know. We don't know if he was aware of the guns
    -AM was DM's housemate but wasn't involved with guns and incineration and didn't go on this particular mission - wasn't involved other than truck research/theft idea as far as we know. He hadn't been in the inner circle, though DM seemed to be evaluating him for it
    -CN was presumably a confidante (at least in the Crown's view). She may have known a lot, but not more than MS
    -MM suspected enough to try to stop MS from going but certainly knew less than him.
     
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